News on China's scientific and technological development.

free_6ix9ine said:

let's chalk it up to this:

1) Lack of vision from companies like Huawei

2) Lack of vision from the government

3) Bad timing, its much easier to develop a chip industry in the 1980s then it is in 2020.

if we dig further we can even blame stupid Qing emperors for missing the Industrial revolution, and now leaving us to catch up in technology.

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I don't think we have to go that far We can blame Xiaomi, Oppo They come way latter than Huawei and they are small fry they don't have the financial heft like Huawei nor do they have comprehensive design like Huawei
The problem is Ren model is not Samsung but Apple He himself said so he admire Steve Jobs and Apple company because they maximized their profit by not building factory or anything instead they outsource most of their fabrication. "If you need milk why buy a cow no need"

As you said the government try their best but if the private sector does not buy the idea of technical independence then nothing is happening See SMIC didn't get anywhere because no body buy their product.

But it is not too late with concerted effort of government, private company and research institution China will overcome the bottle neck in semiconductor Ironically they have Taiwan as hunting ground for talent and S Korea, Japan. You cannot buy technology but nothing prevent China from picking the brain of Taiwanese, Japanese or S Korean or overseas Chinese in the west

What China need to do is to reform the immigration policy allowing for dual nationality and put incentive like they do to Taiwanese in Social service,immigration, education, housing etc Make it easier for Overseas Chinese, S Korean or Japanese with skill to settle in China

free_6ix9ine said:

Well no one country dominates the semiconductor sector anyways. So what's your point?

Does Intel fab it's own 7nm chips? Does TSMC make it's own EUV machine, does ASML make its own lenses?

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If you dont make them then at least make sure you bought enough.
If something bad happen it wont stop your flow.

If TSMC and Samsung got sanctioned today it wont stop their flow.

It might affect their future acquisition but thata another story

Hendrik_2000 said:

I don't think we have to go that far We can blame Xiaomi, Oppo They come way latter than Huawei and they are small fry they don't have the financial heft like Huawei nor do they have comprehensive design like Huawei
The problem is Ren model is not Samsung but Apple He himself said so he admire Steve Jobs and Apple company because they maximized their profit by not building factory or anything instead they outsource most of their fabrication.

As you said the government try their best but if the private sector does not buy the idea of technical independence then nothing is happening See SMIC didn't get anywhere because no body buy their product and

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Yeah, that sums up the problem. I think a lot of people did see that this day could come, but not enough people believed it could happen.

localizer said:

Quite a few areas to improve on, but Chinese are proud of China's progress in such little time. Indians can only watch from afar and troll on Chinese made phones and computers.

I look at Indian forums and many express sense of hopelessness. Chinese will never stop in tech. We're just as capable as anyone else.

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Western countries like indians though.

nastya1 said:

Western countries like indians though.

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Until they dont. How many allies have the US turned on? Turkey, Iraq, Japan, Soviet Union? Trump even turning on EU and Canada.

nastya1 said:

Another bullshit by Chinese research. Everyone talk about EUV and how hard it is. Chinese research popped up a surprise and said EUV can be bypassed and instead using laser.

Makes no sense, laser can only processed one point at a time . How can that be for mass manufacturing?

Chinese mentality is always looking for short cut. Its in their genes.

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" In addition to high precision, the technology demonstrates the potential of mass production. The laser direct writing tech could be used to produce up to 500,000 special nano electrodes an hour.

The research result is published in Nano Letters, a monthly peer-reviewed scientific journal published by the American Chemical Society. The paper noted that the new nano processing technology could be widely applied in such sectors as semiconductors, photonic chips and micro electro mechanical systems"

Seems like we're dealing with people (from the creators to the peer reviewers) who might know a little more than you, eh? Which makes your statement the bullshit around here.

horse said:

This is why the United States government war against Huawei is more or less a futile exercise.

The only thing certain, is that the restrictions could slow Huawei down, but in no way will that stop Huawei, nor will leadership in the 5G space will change in this world.

Look at the news. The United States government announces more sanctions against Hauwei, when the same day the news is reported that Shenzhen has completed a stand alone 5G network for the entire city. Remember where Huawei is based.


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Well, huawei is using their limited stockpiles of chips.

manqiangrexue said:

Where's the joke? China and its supporters are still proud of all those advances (all of which are still world-leading) and the speed at which they were achieved, but it doesn't mean that it's time to rest nor did it ever. The Chinese are working hard to expand that growing list and will soon be adding lithography to it, and so on. China's command of technology is already massive as a single country and will only rise compared to the West and the US; the feeling is no different now than it was before Huawei was ever sanctioned.

It's not which tech is too hard; it's which tech seemed economically sensible at the time with the global landscape. But every time China needed to make its own tech, no matter how hard, it was done and in record time.

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The joke is being high on achivements and overlooked on its fatal weakness.

If you know your weakness you dont need a trade war or ban to bring it to your attention.

manqiangrexue said:

" In addition to high precision, the technology demonstrates the potential of mass production. The laser direct writing tech could be used to produce up to 500,000 special nano electrodes an hour.

The research result is published in Nano Letters, a monthly peer-reviewed scientific journal published by the American Chemical Society. The paper noted that the new nano processing technology could be widely applied in such sectors as semiconductors, photonic chips and micro electro mechanical systems"

Seems like we're dealing with people (from the creators to the peer reviewers) who might know a little more than you, eh? Which makes your statement the bullshit around here.

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There could be an infinite ways of sub 7nm chip manufacturing at scale. EUV is only one way, you can also use gamma rays if you manage to generate it.

manqiangrexue said:

" In addition to high precision, the technology demonstrates the potential of mass production. The laser direct writing tech could be used to produce up to 500,000 special nano electrodes an hour.

The research result is published in Nano Letters, a monthly peer-reviewed scientific journal published by the American Chemical Society. The paper noted that the new nano processing technology could be widely applied in such sectors as semiconductors, photonic chips and micro electro mechanical systems"

Seems like we're dealing with people (from the creators to the peer reviewers) who might know a little more than you, eh? Which makes your statement the bullshit around here.

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Its research paper for science not specifically for mass manufacturing.

Laser is processed point to point serially.
While traditional light litho is processed concurrently on all area on mask.

nastya1 said:

Its research paper for science not specifically for mass manufacturing.

Laser is processed point to point serially.
While traditional light litho is processed concurrently on all area on mask.

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I'm pretty sure this is masked lithography using a laser light source.