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SPOOPYSKELETON

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The best retaliation is full on war. Trump doesn't care about economics. If China took Taiwan that would send the message home.

Soft power revolves around buying off countries, thats easy if you have the global currency and a massive military to offprotection. prote

No, this is not what I am getting at. China needs measures that are far less extreme and that can be applied to smaller issues like Huawei. You don't use nukes every time someone threatens war or intrudes on your border after all.
 

free_6ix9ine

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No, this is not what I am getting at. China needs measures that are far less extreme and that can be applied to smaller issues like Huawei. You don't use nukes every time someone threatens war or intrudes on your border after all.

We don't really have all that much options, except overcome our weaknesses as quickly as possible.
 

nastya1

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You can't expect Ren to think ahead like that, especially since no one else was doing so. People's entire conception of history was different back then, which limited what was efficient or even possible.

Whats needed is rapid adaptation to the new course history has taken these past years instead of clinging to old l, outdated paradigms. In this sense, Xiaomi and OPPO deserve more blame for not believing Trump would use the full scale of American power against China, since these companies came of age when the strategic landscape was already changing and did nothing about it.

Huawei has already thought ahead as much as anyone can expect from a single company. It's everyone else that needs to catch up.
Ironically, ren asked Huawei management what if one day huawei cant get US tech. That was reason for Hongmen OS and hisilicon backup chip design.

In another words ren asked the right questions but didnt prepare for the complete solution.
 

free_6ix9ine

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I meant no one in China was attempting to build a full stack for semiconductors.

Hindsight is 2020, and while it's obvious to people now that the US is not interested in allowing China's full developer, that was not the case 10, 20 years ago.

It was assumed, under the "End of History" paradigm, that China would be integrated into the world market and that globalism would reign supreme.

That is obviously not so certain now.


Hindsight is 2020. The PRC tried to bootstrap a semiconductor industry in the 2000's, but it's hard to get buy in from domestic companies when there is no imminent threat. Too bad no one took it seriously.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Ironically, ren asked Huawei management what if one day huawei cant get US tech. That was reason for Hongmen OS and hisilicon backup chip design.

In another words ren asked the right questions but didnt prepare for the complete solution.

I agree. It's debatable whether the complete solution would even be possible for one company. Even Samsung cannot survive if they got sanctioned. They don't have complete solution either. This should have been the question that EVERYONE was asking. If everyone in the supply chain asked the same question then we would be better off right now.
 

nastya1

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I agree. It's debatable whether the complete solution would even be possible for one company. Even Samsung cannot survive if they got sanctioned. They don't have complete solution either.
Samsung is much better shape than huawei due to they already got alot of equipments under their belt and also experiences.

If they got sanctioned by US it only means they can not buy new equipments and support from US companies in the future.

Huawei trying to setup their 40nm fab with second hand or domestic equipments now. Learning curve will take time

A more urgent matter with China now is war. US is trying to get China into a war.

I think China is not ready due to limited amount of stealth fighters.
 
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gadgetcool5

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Hindsight is 2020. The PRC tried to bootstrap a semiconductor industry in the 2000's, but it's hard to get buy in from domestic companies when there is no imminent threat. Too bad no one took it seriously.

One thing you have to give the Americans is that they are paranoid as sh*t. Living in America, I can't tell you how many times I've heard Americans whine about how "our supply chains are all in China.... China owns us... what if they cut us off? What if they sell our debt?" If you listen to Americans talk their country is constantly in decline. I've been hearing it since the early 1990's. Back then it was Japan and crime rates.

But now that we get down to brass tacks we see the truth is that America is the one with a monopolistic chokehold on supply chains not China. Of course Americans knew this all along. They just love to play the top dog about to fall, or falling from his perch because it's such a delicious story. It allows them to hide their strength until they really need it.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Samsung is much better shape than huawei due to they already got alot of equipments under their belt and also experiences.

If they got sanctioned by US it only means they can not buy new equipments and support from US companies in the future.

Huawei trying to setup their 40nm fab with second hand or domestic equipments now. Learning curve will take time

A more urgent matter with China now is war. US is trying to get China into a war.

I think China is not ready due to limited amount of stealth fighters.


let's chalk it up to this:

1) Lack of vision from companies like Huawei

2) Lack of vision from the government

3) Bad timing, its much easier to develop a chip industry in the 1980s then it is in 2020.

if we dig further we can even blame stupid Qing emperors for missing the Industrial revolution, and now leaving us to catch up in technology.
 

nastya1

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What you mean no one else doing it he just has to read the story of Samsung founder to get vision of how to run high tech company The LEE family of Samsug has no precedent too.That is why we call visionary and run of the mill manger like REn


Not just huawei and ren, the whole China was like that till now. The founder of loongson prouded himself as follower Mao thinking when designing loongson CPU yet farmed out to samsung for foundry for its CPU. So much for Mao thinking.
 

BMEWS

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let's chalk it up to this:

1) Lack of vision from companies like Huawei

2) Lack of vision from the government

3) Bad timing, its much easier to develop a chip industry in the 1980s then it is in 2020.

if we dig further we can even blame stupid Qing emperors for missing the Industrial revolution, and now leaving us to catch up in technology.

if we dig even further we can go back to the Cambrian Explosion or why not the Planck Epoch while we are at it...

is this u??
 
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