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BMEWS

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All those countries that said they won't give into US pressure over Huawei eventually gave in.

It's just a good cop bad cop routine, "US made us do it"
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There could be something else going on...

Take UK for example, originally they said No to an all out ban on Huawei... then during the early weeks of Jan this year, Trump personally called Boris to beg him to change his mind and yet Boris didn't relent... But now UK flip flop even after having already publicly made a decision... so was the whole thing for show and everything was a showmanship thing since UK being part of 5EYES was never gonna accept Huawei in the first place?

Or maybe something else is going on.... Maybe what changed between Jan and July (other than COVID situation and HK situation) was that US gained enough allied support for an coalition of invasion of China (attack China in SCS etc) that now the US leadership basically tells all their allies/vassals that "hey we are going to strike China soon, you are either with us or against us"... so now its push comes to shove, allies have to show of support for their master, and since a war is coming and they have chosen sides, then obviously they are not going to the use 'enemies' 5G stuff....

This massive capitulation signals something in my opinion far more widespread and sinister than simply changing their minds on Huawei...
I think something very big is about to go down soon....
 
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The US has banned technology to Huawei to force other countries not to think about buying something where technology will be banned. That's why countries that said they were going to allow Huawei to bid in their 5g infrastructure are not anymore. Don't think it was because people determined Huawei technology was bad. No they were forced to because of the US would deny technology to Huawei so why have it if it's not going to perform as advertised. Also the US can punish countries that don't obey US orders not to buy Huawei equipment. Even if Trump were to lose the election, every ally is worried that Trump can go scorched earth on them before he leaves office. And China should be mindful of that too because if he loses the election he could do all the things that he was reluctant to do because of the consequences of such actions in a second term before he leaves office.
 
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BMEWS said:
There could be something else going on...

Take UK for example, originally they said No to an all out ban on Huawei... then during the early weeks of Jan this year, Trump personally called Boris to beg him to change his mind and yet Boris didn't relent... But now UK flip flop even after having already publicly made a decision... so was the whole thing for show and everything was a showmanship thing since UK being part of 5EYES was never gonna accept Huawei in the first place?

Or maybe something else is going on.... Maybe what changed between Jan and July (other than COVID situation and HK situation) was that US gained enough allied support for an coalition of invasion of China (attack China in SCS etc) that now the US leadership basically tells all their allies/vassals that "hey we are going to strike China soon, you are either with us or against us"... so now its push comes to shove, allies have to show of support for their master, and since a war is coming and they have chosen sides, then obviously they are not going to the use 'enemies' 5G stuff....

This massive capitulation signals something in my opinion far more widespread and sinister than simply changing their minds on Huawei...
I think something very big is about to go down soon....
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are you the one that wrote email to Huawei teaching them on how to react against the entity list sanction ?
 
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Petrolicious88

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BMEWS said:
There could be something else going on...

Take UK for example, originally they said No to an all out ban on Huawei... then during the early weeks of Jan this year, Trump personally called Boris to beg him to change his mind and yet Boris didn't relent... But now UK flip flop even after having already publicly made a decision... so was the whole thing for show and everything was a showmanship thing since UK being part of 5EYES was never gonna accept Huawei in the first place?

Or maybe something else is going on.... Maybe what changed between Jan and July (other than COVID situation and HK situation) was that US gained enough allied support for an coalition of invasion of China (attack China in SCS etc) that now the US leadership basically tells all their allies/vassals that "hey we are going to strike China soon, you are either with us or against us"... so now its push comes to shove, allies have to show of support for their master, and since a war is coming and they have chosen sides, then obviously they are not going to the use 'enemies' 5G stuff....

This massive capitulation signals something in my opinion far more widespread and sinister than simply changing their minds on Huawei...
I think something very big is about to go down soon....
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UK will continue to use Huawei gear until 2027 though.
The UK needs to negotiate a trade deal with the US post brexit
BMEWS said:
There could be something else going on...

Take UK for example, originally they said No to an all out ban on Huawei... then during the early weeks of Jan this year, Trump personally called Boris to beg him to change his mind and yet Boris didn't relent... But now UK flip flop even after having already publicly made a decision... so was the whole thing for show and everything was a showmanship thing since UK being part of 5EYES was never gonna accept Huawei in the first place?

Or maybe something else is going on.... Maybe what changed between Jan and July (other than COVID situation and HK situation) was that US gained enough allied support for an coalition of invasion of China (attack China in SCS etc) that now the US leadership basically tells all their allies/vassals that "hey we are going to strike China soon, you are either with us or against us"... so now its push comes to shove, allies have to show of support for their master, and since a war is coming and they have chosen sides, then obviously they are not going to the use 'enemies' 5G stuff....

This massive capitulation signals something in my opinion far more widespread and sinister than simply changing their minds on Huawei...
I think something very big is about to go down soon....
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UK will continue to use some Huawei gear until 2027 though.

UK most likely caved to US pressure because it desperately needs a trade deal with the US post Brexit. It’s also a key member of the 5 Eye.

Also remember that any major conflict with China will likely be nuclear. That alone is enough of a deterrent
 
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I'm not so sure China would be willing to go to nuclear war over a war in the SCS that didn't directly impact the mainland. Nuclear means all bets off the table, Russia probably won't come to China's aid. And China only has 300 nukes... even if MAD was in place, its the end of civilization type of scenario for the SCS? I know how strategically import SCS is to China, but still I don't think CCP would ever escalate to nuclear over it.
 
localizer

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BMEWS said:
There could be something else going on...

Take UK for example, originally they said No to an all out ban on Huawei... then during the early weeks of Jan this year, Trump personally called Boris to beg him to change his mind and yet Boris didn't relent... But now UK flip flop even after having already publicly made a decision... so was the whole thing for show and everything was a showmanship thing since UK being part of 5EYES was never gonna accept Huawei in the first place?

Or maybe something else is going on.... Maybe what changed between Jan and July (other than COVID situation and HK situation) was that US gained enough allied support for an coalition of invasion of China (attack China in SCS etc) that now the US leadership basically tells all their allies/vassals that "hey we are going to strike China soon, you are either with us or against us"... so now its push comes to shove, allies have to show of support for their master, and since a war is coming and they have chosen sides, then obviously they are not going to the use 'enemies' 5G stuff....

This massive capitulation signals something in my opinion far more widespread and sinister than simply changing their minds on Huawei...
I think something very big is about to go down soon....
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We don't have the same information as the leadership of governments.

In the case that you are right, then China needs to convert its dollar debt and reserve holdings to domestic investments or other equities like gold.

You can't fight with a war chest of which value is determined by your enemy.


Huawei is only the start, I can see US blocking all server chips to China.
 
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Petrolicious88

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BMEWS said:
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I'm not so sure China would be willing to go to nuclear war over a war in the SCS that didn't directly impact the mainland. Nuclear means all bets off the table, Russia probably won't come to China's aid. And China only has 300 nukes... even if MAD was in place, its the end of civilization type of scenario for the SCS? I know how strategically import SCS is to China, but still I don't think CCP would ever escalate to nuclear over it.
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That’s the point of MAD. You need to have both the capability and the means to use it, and make sure your enemies underhand that. If US believes China will not use nukes, then your entire deterrent strategy is pointless.
 
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BMEWS

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localizer said:
We don't have the same information as the leadership of governments.

In the case that you are right, then China needs to convert its dollar debt and reserve holdings to domestic investments or other equities like gold.

You can't fight with a war chest of which value is determined by your enemy.


Huawei is only the start, I can see US blocking all server chips to China.
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Yeah a blanket ban of Intel/AMD/ARM processors (and their supply chains like Candance software, ASML, etc etc etc) for all of China...
Then a blanket immigration ban of anyone (not just CCP members) from China...
Followed by kicking China out of the SWIFT....

Then US knows China will try to survive and if China survives then its Petrodollar hegemony is over...

That is when the kinetic actions comes into play and things get physical in the SCS so that US can retain option to blockade China shipping/sea lanes so that China cannot trade, and BRI is still decades away from full compleltion... not only this pits China in the Middle Income Trap but could server to potentially destablize entire China and overturn the CCP to install Washington friendly kowtowers.
 
localizer

localizer

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BMEWS said:
Yeah a blanket ban of Intel/AMD/ARM processors (and their supply chains like Candance software, ASML, etc etc etc) for all of China...
Then a blanket immigration ban of anyone (not just CCP members) from China...
Followed by kicking China out of the SWIFT....

Then US knows China will try to survive and if China survives then its Petrodollar hegemony is over...

That is when the kinetic actions comes into play and things get physical in the SCS so that US can retain option to blockade China shipping/sea lanes so that China cannot trade, and BRI is still decades away from full compleltion... not only this pits China in the Middle Income Trap but could server to potentially destablize entire China and overturn the CCP to install Washington friendly kowtowers.
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Yep, and it didn't have to be this way.

Sadly the West doesn't compete fairly and instead colonizes other peoples or invades them and places them under perpetual poverty in the name of "Democracy" and "Freedom."

I think they realized Chinese are too capable and will probably take 50% of the world's GDP like in the past if not hindered.



The currently situation seems pretty "All In," simply judging by the COVID response like Georgia banning mask mandates and total uncontrolled stimulus spending, we can see that US government is doing a last ditch effort.


I mean, how can the US turn back from any of this?
 
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