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hullopilllw

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The fact that his company is thriving in China does not help as it comes at the expense of other Chinese competitors. China will always have a video sharing market. The question is whether China can also have market share internationally.

The computer code and content recommendation engine does not matter as it will be outdated in 3-5 years anyway, so it should not be a reason not to sell.

How can ByteDance build a global company if it is locked out of multiple large markets, including the world's (soon to be) most populous country and its largest economy by nominal GDP? It will be fighting with a handicap.

China has been developing under consistent containment, at selective sectors, all these decades.

Take at look at India, who can get all the weapons she want from the West. Ended up with no self-capability to develop on her own.
 

ansy1968

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Again a good summary regarding different chip FAB from FairAndUnbiased (PAKISTAN DEFENSE FORUM)

You mean the US/SK/TW. Western Europe in general is essentially unimportant in semiconductors. STMicro if placed in China would be a mid-tier supplier of 28 nm products (which is still a very important node and is good enough for FPGA, automotive, and a even alot of processor work) - at the level of Huahong, not SMIC. People sometimes forget SMIC is still the 5th biggest foundry in the world.

Even in the US, only Intel and GloFo are anywhere near the leading edge, and GloFo is no longer chasing the leading edge. They cancelled their 7 nm program and sold their EUV lithography tools. GloFo also didn't independently develop its 14 nm process, they licensed it from Samsung.

Even in Japan, they still don't have a 14 nm supplier. They're also stuck at 28 nm. They do have lithography tools, but their flagship supplier TEL is in a vulnerable market segment - the chemistry side (etch, deposition). They're now facing competition from AMEC whose 5 nm etch tool was approved by TSMC years ago and is aggressively expanding into additional etch and deposition markets.

The importance of 7 nm is mostly in power consumption and mobility uses. If you are not constrained by power, 14-28 nm is not so bad.
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which is comfortably within SMIC capabilities.

The only trump card that Western Europe and Japan hold right now is really lithography (which even US doesn't have) but its essentially totally monopolized by ASML, with Canon and Nikon being secondary suppliers. Once SMEE commercializes its 28 nm immersion lithography offering, it'll essentially be on parity with Canon and Nikon. Even with their current 90 nm dry lithography tools, it is good enough for ASIC, microcontroller, packaging, etc.

The dominance of TSMC is both good and bad. For better or worse, TSMC makes others look bad and can even put pressure on Samsung, not just SMIC. And even TSMC is not independent - it still has to buy its tools, and none of them are made in Taiwan.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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The United States is banning Tik Tok because they are afraid of possible psychological warfare operations China will conduct on it. That is of course because of America's long standing tradition of psychological warfare. They are assuming China has the capabilities it has, and will react accordingly.

Consider how already Tik Tok is being used to spread American propaganda to Gen Z in America. I think China should focus more on developing sophisticated information war strategies in the coming years. As it stands currently, American media presents Pro Chinese politicians in Europe and Asia with a heavy burden. Relieving that pressure is key to avoiding diplomatic encirclement.
 

localizer

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The United States is banning Tik Tok because they are afraid of possible psychological warfare operations China will conduct on it. That is of course because of America's long standing tradition of psychological warfare. They are assuming China has the capabilities it has, and will react accordingly.

Consider how already Tik Tok is being used to spread American propaganda to Gen Z in America. I think China should focus more on developing sophisticated information war strategies in the coming years. As it stands currently, American media presents Pro Chinese politicians in Europe and Asia with a heavy burden. Relieving that pressure is key to avoiding diplomatic encirclement.
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nugroho

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I don’t think India will reach the largest country by nominal GDP within the next fifty years. Did you confuse PPP with nominal?
yes, western economic experts had said that in 50 years ahead India will have the largest GDP on earth,
For me , lets don't talk 50 years time, better test India economic resilience with this Covid pandemy, and after that, lets hear the reason from those expert to amend thier prediction.
It will be funny.
 

weig2000

Captain
I don’t think India will reach the largest country by nominal GDP within the next fifty years. Did you confuse PPP with nominal?

Well, this kind of predictions have been going on for a long time. It usually goes like this:

"India is projected to be world's largest economy in 25 years."

You can replace 25 years with whatever number of years, or world's largest economy with other labels, say "sooperpower." You can never say categorically it's wrong. And, they have said it in 2000, 2005, 2010, ..., 2020, etc. The key: it's always 25 years away.

One can always dream.
 

supercat

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This Chinese CPU challenger is taking on Intel and AMD with Arm's help
Chinese server chip designer goes after Intel’s low-power CPUs with FT-2000/4
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Phytium is not exactly a household name, but avid readers remember that this company was among the first to announce a 64-core ARMv8 processor for servers several years ago.

Last year the firm introduced a new 64-core FT-2000/4 CPU for HPC machines, but its interests appear to extend to client PCs too. At an event in China, Phytium showcased its all-new FT-2000/4 processor for low-power clients.

The Phytium FT-2000/4 processor packs four internally-developed FTC663 cores clocked at up to 2.6 GHz and based on the company’s latest ARMv8 microarchitecture featuring a four-issue out-of-order pipeline, new INT and FP units as well as a revamped dynamic branch predictor. The CPU supports ASIMD instructions, hardware-assisted virtualization along with proprietary security capabilities.

Low-Power Brother
Pythium’s FT-2000-4 processor has not been formally introduced so far, but as its name suggests, it derives from last year’s FT-2000/64 designed primarily for HPC servers. The 64-core powerhouse runs at 2.2 GHz – 2.4 GHz, it features 32 MB of L2 cache (i.e., 512 KB per core), eight DDR4 memory channels, 33 PCIe Gen 3 lanes, and a TDP of around 90 W. The SoC is produced using TSMC’s 16 nm process technology.

Considering a lower number of cores when compared to its older brother, the FT-2000/4 probably sports a dual-channel memory controller and has a considerably lower TDP of around 10 W. Low power consumption of the CPU allow it to compete against inexpensive processors from AMD and Intel for low-power/small form-factor desktops as well as notebooks.

Unfortunately, there is no information about performance of Phytium’s FT2000/4 processor and how does it stack against AMD’s Ryzen and Intel’s Core CPUs in general-purpose applications.

Pythium’s latest CPUs are already used inside desktop PCs for China that run a locally developed operating system.
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SMIC can produce 14 nm process so TSMC's 16 nm can be replaced by SMIC product?
 

Tyler

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Intel is in decline, a Apple is not using it anymore. AMD and Nvidia are trouncing Intel. Huaiwei is using its own chips.
 

localizer

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All those countries that said they won't give into US pressure over Huawei eventually gave in.

It's just a good cop bad cop routine, "US made us do it"
 
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