News on China's scientific and technological development.

GiantPanda said:

This the chart they were pointing at but not shown in the video:

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Some of my opinions :

Quantum is near? China was the first to test quantum entanglement from space and currently only country with actual working quantum-based satellites sending entanglement messages back and forth to earth. China leads here.

Semicon is obviously lagging because of bans, tariffs and all sort knee-capping schemes but hardly a "modest" pace of progress when you are replicating the entire process and production chain in country. I cannot think of a more rapid pace of development in any sector.

This is not an opinion, without this rapid progress Mate 60, Pura 70 and the Mate XT cannot exists and the whole industry would have been "annihilated" as the US intended in 2022:View attachment 136092

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I will be honest with you QKD is a solution in search of a problem. Long list of issues that I won't go into details. Post Quantum Cryptography is a much better idea.

jli88 said:

Chinese research is exceptionally strong in the great to average spectrum. But China still has catching up to do when it comes to the 0.01% research which is path breaking. The US still leads in the extremely high echelon research, but that is frankly okay in most fields, except maths and physics. Breakthroughs in maths and physics can completely change the battlefield in an instant. Like breaking the adversary's encryption (Alan Turing during WW2), or discovering and employing radar for detection.

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Facts. I work in a different field and it is a similar story. China has strong practical and incremental research but rarely makes the paradigm changing breakthroughs. Even in the most recent AI boom, neither LLMs nor diffusion models nor attention transformers were invented by Chinese, though Chinese researchers did make an important intermediate contribution in ResNet. The West is still the overwhelming source of the most ground breaking research.

But this isn’t a problem limited to China. East Asia as a whole has under performed including the Japanese who have been at Western living standards for decades. It really makes one wonder why Westerners are so proficient at basic research. Although I think my theory of it being the result of Western financial supremacy (hence being able to throw money at moon shots while East Asians focus on practical value) is still reasonable, there are indications there’s a cultural element to it as well, which would better explain why they were also the first to modernize and industrialize.

jli88 said:

Chinese research is exceptionally strong in the great to average spectrum. But China still has catching up to do when it comes to the 0.01% research which is path breaking. The US still leads in the extremely high echelon research, but that is frankly okay in most fields, except maths and physics. Breakthroughs in maths and physics can completely change the battlefield in an instant. Like breaking the adversary's encryption (Alan Turing during WW2), or discovering and employing radar for detection.

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Most breakthrough (Nobel Prize) papers weren't published in Nature and Science though. However, I do agree that most scientific breakthroughs come from the US and Europe.

Some of you may disagree with me, but I believe that traditional Chinese culture pushes people to be more risk-averse than Westerners. I've noticed that people from mainland China are more similar to Westerners than people from Taiwan in the sense that mainland Chinese people are more willing to take risks. That's one of the reasons why I'm so confident in the future of China.

Eventine said:

Facts. I work in a different field and it is a similar story. China has strong practical and incremental research but rarely makes the paradigm changing breakthroughs. Even in the most recent AI boom, neither LLMs nor diffusion models nor attention transformers were invented by Chinese, though Chinese researchers did make an important intermediate contribution in ResNet. The West is still the overwhelming source of the most ground breaking research.

But this isn’t a problem limited to China. East Asia as a whole has under performed including the Japanese who have been at Western living standards for decades. It really makes one wonder why Westerners are so proficient at basic research. Although I think my theory of it being the result of Western financial supremacy (hence being able to throw money at moon shots while East Asians focus on practical value) is still reasonable, there are indications there’s a cultural element to it as well, which would better explain why they were also the first to modernize and industrialize.

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they use the spoils of imperialism, took the early low hanging fruit already, and most of all get to define what is a breakthrough through their monopoly on the media including science media.

Eventine said:

Facts. I work in a different field and it is a similar story. China has strong practical and incremental research but rarely makes the paradigm changing breakthroughs. Even in the most recent AI boom, neither LLMs nor diffusion models nor attention transformers were invented by Chinese, though Chinese researchers did make an important intermediate contribution in ResNet. The West is still the overwhelming source of the most ground breaking research.

But this isn’t a problem limited to China. East Asia as a whole has under performed including the Japanese who have been at Western living standards for decades. It really makes one wonder why Westerners are so proficient at basic research. Although I think my theory of it being the result of Western financial supremacy (hence being able to throw money at moon shots while East Asians focus on practical value) is still reasonable, there are indications there’s a cultural element to it as well, which would better explain why they were also the first to modernize and industrialize.

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The most important point you have missed here ..

China missed first and second industrial Revolution. started work from 3rd industrial Revolution alongside working on first and second simultaneously. a hell of load on Chinese people, they have to cover 200 years time period in couple of decades.. and China did it.

there is difference between innovation and fundamental invention .. China being the latecomer in the party so majority of the tech were already invented when China begun their journey..

4th industrial revolution, this is where China is now equal to Western world. you can say this only USA.. coz Europe is almost non-existent in this race..

who is setting Tech standards in 5G/5.5G ?? its China
who is setting Tech standards in Battery tech/Solar and other Green energy ?? its China
who is setting Tech standards in EV ?? its China..

in EV supply chain, there are other plenty of revolutionary tech like Lidar , Smart driving etc etc.. who is in charge ???? its China

we are also taking different route in Ai, being implemented in industry and manufacturing.. we also have our own tech standard in Quantum technology ..

so please don't compare us with Japan/Korea.. we just started to invest huge in Basic research also took different approach and path.. you will see in near future
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where was Europe in 3rd industrial Revolution ??
where is Europe in 4th industrial Revolution ??

its only USA.. especially in 4th one.. its two horse race now. USA vs China

FairAndUnbiased said:

they use the spoils of imperialism, took the early low hanging fruit already, and most of all get to define what is a breakthrough through their monopoly on the media including science media.

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True, in science as in anything else, selling your ideas is critical. The entire AI field has pivoted towards architectures invented in the West/US and this isn’t necessarily because those architectures are the only possible solutions but because there is an implicit assumption that the West invents and the Rest follow. Not much attempt is even given to exploring different architectures and people are just building on top of Western precedence; that does give them an advantage in securing breakthroughs.

It’s a common problem in East Asian cultures that they just don’t sell themselves effectively. Hence why more Indians become CEOs in the West than East Asians.