News on China's scientific and technological development.

qrex

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This the chart they were pointing at but not shown in the video:

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Some of my opinions :

Quantum is near? China was the first to test quantum entanglement from space and currently only country with actual working quantum-based satellites sending entanglement messages back and forth to earth. China leads here.

Semicon is obviously lagging because of bans, tariffs and all sort knee-capping schemes but hardly a "modest" pace of progress when you are replicating the entire process and production chain in country. I cannot think of a more rapid pace of development in any sector.

This is not an opinion, without this rapid progress Mate 60, Pura 70 and the Mate XT cannot exists and the whole industry would have been "annihilated" as the US intended in 2022:View attachment 136092

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I have been saying this for a long time, IT IS GOOD that the US thinks China is lagging or that its economy is about to collapse or whatnot. It is never a bad thing to be underestimated. The value of the US underestimating China and its capabilities is infinitesimally more useful than nationalists feeling good about themselves
 

nugroho

Junior Member
This the chart they were pointing at but not shown in the video:

View attachment 136090

Some of my opinions :

Quantum is near? China was the first to test quantum entanglement from space and currently only country with actual working quantum-based satellites sending entanglement messages back and forth to earth. China leads here.

Semicon is obviously lagging because of bans, tariffs and all sort knee-capping schemes but hardly a "modest" pace of progress when you are replicating the entire process and production chain in country. I cannot think of a more rapid pace of development in any sector.

This is not an opinion, without this rapid progress Mate 60, Pura 70 and the Mate XT cannot exists and the whole industry would have been "annihilated" as the US intended in 2022:View attachment 136092

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in biopharma China is not lagging, it is in par. A lot of acquisitions and " buying molecules " done by western bio showed that " we have something you don't and you want it ". The pace of acquisitions is worrying.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
This the chart they were pointing at but not shown in the video:

View attachment 136090

Some of my opinions :

Quantum is near? China was the first to test quantum entanglement from space and currently only country with actual working quantum-based satellites sending entanglement messages back and forth to earth. China leads here.

Semicon is obviously lagging because of bans, tariffs and all sort knee-capping schemes but hardly a "modest" pace of progress when you are replicating the entire process and production chain in country. I cannot think of a more rapid pace of development in any sector.

This is not an opinion, without this rapid progress Mate 60, Pura 70 and the Mate XT cannot exists and the whole industry would have been "annihilated" as the US intended in 2022:

China has the best chemistry research per Nature Index. Lagging? Rofl. Unless they mean traditional petrochemical with like 2000 horsepower fossil fuel fired motors and shit and exclude modern materials chemistry.

Display is ahead or parity, not near. There's no western display company comparable to BOE, only Samsung if they count South Korea as western.

AI near? Rofl Chinese researchers invented the DLP chip architecture.
 

caudaceus

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China has the best chemistry research per Nature Index. Lagging? Rofl. Unless they mean traditional petrochemical with like 2000 horsepower fossil fuel fired motors and shit and exclude modern materials chemistry.

Display is ahead or parity, not near. There's no western display company comparable to BOE, only Samsung if they count South Korea as western.

AI near? Rofl Chinese researchers invented the DLP chip architecture.
Having said that I think China is lagging on Biotech and Biomedical tech. On journals like Cell not too many Chinese institutions submissions there.
 

jli88

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Seems they want more talents for this...

"Tianjin University has announced the launch of the nation's 1st brain-computer interface (BCI) undergraduate program for its fall semester. BCI technology allows direct communication between the brain and an external device, such as a computer or a prosthetic limb."


My experience with these super specialized bachelor's programs is that students at the end just regret why they didn't end up taking the normal CS program. And BCI is even more of a vaporware, something like blockchain, and having a bachelor's degree in blockchain.

Honestly I'm not too fond with extra specialized undergraduate studies. Just put them under EECS specialization or on graduate degree.
Yeah I have to agree with this. A lot of the extra specialized undergrad majors just tend to be money grabs in the US. I doubt it’s any different in China.

Ditto guys.

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Chinese biotech Akeso’s new drug might replace Keytruda as the new standard in pd-l1 positive lung cancer treatment. FYI Keytruda made 25 billion in sales in 2023 alone.

That's super interesting.

Huawei vs Samsung foldable comparison.
Haven't seen someone compare the thickness directly yet.


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Had a discussion with a guy who just bought the Samsung, he was aware of Huawei's recent release, and would have considered it, but not available in the US.

This the chart they were pointing at but not shown in the video:

View attachment 136090

Some of my opinions :

Quantum is near? China was the first to test quantum entanglement from space and currently only country with actual working quantum-based satellites sending entanglement messages back and forth to earth. China leads here.

Semicon is obviously lagging because of bans, tariffs and all sort knee-capping schemes but hardly a "modest" pace of progress when you are replicating the entire process and production chain in country. I cannot think of a more rapid pace of development in any sector.

This is not an opinion, without this rapid progress Mate 60, Pura 70 and the Mate XT cannot exists and the whole industry would have been "annihilated" as the US intended in 2022:View attachment 136092

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As the saying goes, "All models are wrong, but some are useful".

To be honest, there can be no ranking for whole fields like "quantum". The implied quantum here has multiple components such as quantum communications, quantum computing, sensing, algorithms, theory, etc. etc.

China is definitely in the lead in communications, for the rest it is uncertain. In some fields, like algorithms and theory, US has a definite edge.



in biopharma China is not lagging, it is in par. A lot of acquisitions and " buying molecules " done by western bio showed that " we have something you don't and you want it ". The pace of acquisitions is worrying.

Which data source are you relying on? While China is advancing quite fast, it still has a lot of ground to cover.

China has the best chemistry research per Nature Index. Lagging? Rofl. Unless they mean traditional petrochemical with like 2000 horsepower fossil fuel fired motors and shit and exclude modern materials chemistry.

Display is ahead or parity, not near. There's no western display company comparable to BOE, only Samsung if they count South Korea as western.

AI near? Rofl Chinese researchers invented the DLP chip architecture.

Nature Index measure research output in a curated list of publications. This list can't be used as a stand-in for general "chemical" or "chemistry" research.

Also, nature index (chemistry) is about chemistry, not the chemicals they mention here, which is mostly about chemical engineering, which involves processes, new pathways, production etc.

In fact, Chinese chemical industry, lags behind major western companies despite having everything at their disposal- capital, talent, market. They invest little (compared to their revenues) in R&D (specially the big SOEs). Though this situation is getting better, it is still far from ideal. China's chemical industry is almost 50% of the world's total output. YET, Chinese firms are behind, when they should have caught up with the likes of BASF etc.

There are definitely areas where they have caught up and have led. But, you don't have any company like Huawei, BYD, DJI, CATL etc. which have this culture of not resting until they rise to the top via extensive R&D.


Having said that I think China is lagging on Biotech and Biomedical tech. On journals like Cell not too many Chinese institutions submissions there.

Chinese research is exceptionally strong in the great to average spectrum. But China still has catching up to do when it comes to the 0.01% research which is path breaking. The US still leads in the extremely high echelon research, but that is frankly okay in most fields, except maths and physics. Breakthroughs in maths and physics can completely change the battlefield in an instant. Like breaking the adversary's encryption (Alan Turing during WW2), or discovering and employing radar for detection.

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FairAndUnbiased

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My experience with these super specialized bachelor's programs is that students at the end just regret why they didn't end up taking the normal CS program. And BCI is even more of a vaporware, something like blockchain, and having a bachelor's degree in blockchain.




Ditto guys.



That's super interesting.



Had a discussion with a guy who just bought the Samsung, he was aware of Huawei's recent release, and would have considered it, but not available in the US.



As the saying goes, "All models are wrong, but some are useful".

To be honest, there can be no ranking for whole fields like "quantum". The implied quantum here has multiple components such as quantum communications, quantum computing, sensing, algorithms, theory, etc. etc.

China is definitely in the lead in communications, for the rest it is uncertain. In some fields, like algorithms and theory, US has a definite edge.





Which data source are you relying on? While China is advancing quite fast, it still has a lot of ground to cover.



Nature Index measure research output in a curated list of publications. This list can't be used as a stand-in for general "chemical" or "chemistry" research.

Also, nature index (chemistry) is about chemistry, not the chemicals they mention here, which is mostly about chemical engineering, which involves processes, new pathways, production etc.

In fact, Chinese chemical industry, lags behind major western companies despite having everything at their disposal- capital, talent, market. They invest little (compared to their revenues) in R&D (specially the big SOEs). Though this situation is getting better, it is still far from ideal. China's chemical industry is almost 50% of the world's total output. YET, Chinese firms are behind, when they should have caught up with the likes of BASF etc.

There are definitely areas where they have caught up and have led. But, you don't have any company like Huawei, BYD, DJI, CATL etc. which have this culture of not resting until they rise to the top via extensive R&D.




Chinese research is exceptionally strong in the great to average spectrum. But China still has catching up to do when it comes to the 0.01% research which is path breaking. The US still leads in the extremely high echelon research, but that is frankly okay in most fields, except maths and physics. Breakthroughs in maths and physics can completely change the battlefield in an instant. Like breaking the adversary's encryption (Alan Turing during WW2), or discovering and employing radar for detection.

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Chemistry isn't just petrochemical and polymer stuff from the 1950s. Field has moved on.

I encourage you to flip through a few pages of Journal of Physical Chemistry or something. Nobody cares about making some petrochemical process 0.1% more efficient, it will neither attract money nor attention.

New innovation in chemistry is in materials (battery, semiconductor, renewable energy) and medical applications. Battery is ahead means the entire field of electrochemistry is ahead. Photovoltaics being ahead means a huge chunk of semiconductor physics and materials chemistry is ahead. Etc etc.
 
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