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Tyler

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Researchers are trying to prove that "Tech decoupling" is absolutely bad for China.

It means that the United States does is correct, and they need to continue the "Tech Decoupling" policy, it will help them defeat China.

Biden and his advisers should read SCMP every day
SCMP is just quoting from a research from Peking University.
 

tokenanalyst

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I don't think any fabs in China bought SMEE's 90 nm machine,that machine is more or less an technical demonstrator,never enter batch production.

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Domestic semiconductor equipment "sold out"

"We were planning to buy a 90nm lithography machine from Shanghai Microelectronics, but we were told that there was no stock, and we couldn't take new orders without parts." A related person from a wafer fab under construction told reporters that they have carried out inspections on products from many domestic equipment companies this year. has been assessed, but the problem now is that some equipment companies are unable to deliver equipment to the company on time.

"Currently, the semiconductor equipment industry is full of orders, and the sales situation is very good." Zong Runfu said with a smile that after the chips were out of stock, it was the turn of the semiconductor equipment to be "sold out".

"Not only Shanghai Microelectronics, but with the expansion of new production lines, wafer fabs and IDM (integrated design and manufacturing) companies, orders from many head equipment companies are very full." There are wafers According to factory sources, the fab has also accelerated the verification and procurement of domestic equipment.

Were it says is a demonstrator? In fact the article you posted is saying the contrary, the sales has surpassed the company ability to make more machines to fill the demand.
 

OppositeDay

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A lot of fuss over a 8 pages non-peer-reviewed no sources cited article that could have been written by a 3rd year undergrad in two afternoons. Tech decoupling is obviously bad for China. That's why China needs to develop it's trade links and builds up its military so tech blockade becomes the only card US has which makes it unplayable.
 

Petrolicious88

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A lot of fuss over a 8 pages non-peer-reviewed no sources cited article that could have been written by a 3rd year undergrad in two afternoons. Tech decoupling is obviously bad for China. That's why China needs to develop it's trade links and builds up its military so tech blockade becomes the only card US has which makes it unplayable.
Except it’s not. Tech decoupling is bad for both US and China, but it’s obviously worse for China given that US is still stronger overall. China needs to attract global talent, build up an alliance system for international cooperation in R&D.
 

OppositeDay

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Except it’s not. Tech decoupling is bad for both US and China, but it’s obviously worse for China given that US is still stronger overall. China needs to attract global talent, build up an alliance system for international cooperation in R&D.

More R&D is important but its easier to build 5,000 nukes than developing a complete semiconductor supply chain. Once you have 5,000 nukes and a strong conventional military the only card US has to prevent a Taiwan takeover is a tech blockade, so they must hold onto it, which gives time for more tech catch up.
 

manqiangrexue

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However, in the report published on Sunday, Chinese researchers appeared to be more worried than their US counterparts about the pace of the country’s catch-up with the US.

“China has taken the lead in some small areas, but also obviously lagged behind in others, which are in a vacuum and have hit a bottleneck,” the report said."

“In comparison, the decoupling has no apparent impact on the information technology industry in the US.”

China “lags far behind the US” in AI, with the country starting only three years ago to foster talent in the area while American universities have long cultivated such students.

“However, China is at a disadvantage in the area of civil aviation that highly relies on the commercial market. China relies heavily on the US and other Western countries in the purchase of aircraft or core components,” the report out of China said.

Catch-up is no longer the goal:
Researchers concluded that China should open up academic exchange mechanisms, continue investing in research and development and opt for international cooperation and comprehensive systems to build talent to ensure the gap with the US does not get wider.
Cherry-picking articles is easy (click to open them as sometimes, their titles don't display correctly in this view, especially links 2 and 3). See, check this out; took 3 minutes:
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Too many. But cherry-picking articles is just like cherry-picking economic data and that is that it misses the big picture, which is that China has everything, despite being banned in many things by the US, which means that when something is banned, China always makes it itself. Almost every STEM whiz in every school in every open country is Chinese, so how does anyone figure that a country full of them can fail to make what their lackie classmates can? It's just funding and necessity. If you want to cling to an argument with a short shelf-life before it expires, you can try to cherry-pick, but if you have confidence in the truth that the future holds, you always look at the big picture.
 
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gadgetcool5

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Whether tech decoupling ends up good or bad for China depends on China. Obviously China is the underdog in tech and lags in many ways, and it has problems attracting overseas talent. However if China makes an unusually strong effort to stimulate its basic research, grow its talent pool, support innovation, support cooperation between government, business, and academia, fix its demographic issues so it will continue to enjoy the advantages of a huge market, and work with non-Western partners who are willing to work with it, then China can still achieve parity and even benefit from tech decoupling by developing its own independent ecosystem which it otherwise would not do.

East Asian countries are the most prominent non-Western countries to develop modern advanced economies in the modern era, but the problem is they have done this by piggybacking off Western basic research, and thus beginning from the Japanese, have a reputation for "copying" but not making new breakthroughs on their own. And thus whenever the West decides to throw them overboard, they are helpless just like the Japanese were. China has a chance to correct this and create a new basic research base and ecosystem. However it will require an unusually strong effort and I think even greater than China has been making thus far.
 
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