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SleepyStudent said:
Yeah, if you notice, I mentioned keeping the foreign-born population at a single digit of the total population to manage social risk. Anyway, I'm glad you conceded the point that Indians are not inherently stupid. Racism in all forms should be condemned but the point is that immigration is good for the economy and good for technological development. It's also if done well, good for the native people since everyone benefits from an expanding economy. Even if you desire for your ethnic group to maintain it's incumbent power, which for China, isn't really contestable, you can still have immigration that is good for the economy

California has middle-of-the-pack SAT scores and crimes rates about in line with the US as a whole. There isn't white flight. There are white people leaving for economic, not social reasons and there is still substantial in-migration of white people to California. And fwiw, Texas is also majority-minority and is the polar opposite of California. Florida is also moving towards being majority-minority, go tell me about hwo the minorities of Florida & Texas are going to cause a rebellion or whatever.
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Nowhere did I say there aren't genetic differences between different racial groups in cognitive or behavioral traits. I don't care if it's racist according to the Western dogma you've inherited, it's also true. Take that crap to some Western forum, muh rayycsiissm won't play well here. I am a geneticist and have worked at (and invested more money than you can count) at the most advanced biotech & genomic companies on Earth and it's an open secret at all of them. It isn't even in contention among those at the top in their respective fields (in pop or behavioral genetics especially).

Of course nutty people like you like to believe genetic differences suddenly stop above the neck, because nature for some reason loves adhering to Western liberal coping mechanisms and wouldn't dare touch the brain, lest it offend your douchey limp-wristed sensibilities.
 
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SleepyStudent said:
Race is a bullshit concept and no group of people is inherently superior to any other group of people. Full stop.
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But but the American immigration policy is still based on quota aka race!. If you are Norwegian it is easier to immigrate then say coming S^^% countries that is still in force and it was express clearly by Trump last year

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Hendrik_2000 said:
But but the American immigration policy is still based on quota aka race!. If you are Norwegian it is easier to immigrate then say coming S^^% countries that is still in force and it was express clearly by Trump last year

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I'm begging you to learn what the 1965 INA says. National origins is out
 
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Immigration is only beneficial for the economy when there is a demand for labor. China on the other hand is dealing with a surplus of labor in STEM - it's got its hands full trying to keep all of its STEM graduates employed. It's a monumental task trying to create millions of new STEM jobs each year to absorb the new STEM graduates as it is - pulling in immigrants is only going to lead to societal issues as job competition will intensify and a downward pressure will be applied to wages.

This is no longer the 1980's where a real brain drain was occurring. Back then, it was China's brightest and smartest that were leaving the country to pursue better opportunities and standard of living in the United States. Today, it is more of a transfer of surplus labor - the best and the brightest in most technological fields are choosing to stay in China, with surplus talent flowing into the United States.
 
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SleepyStudent said:
Race is a bullshit concept and no group of people is inherently superior to any other group of people. Full stop.
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I grew up with the same ideology which was pushed from school. And I wish I could still wholeheartedly believe that.

But there's too much evidence of divergent characteristics within certain subgroups (races) in the human species.

That doesn't automatically mean a subgroup is inherently superior, but it does mean different subgroups can be better in some ways and worse in other ways.

But thankfully there is sufficient variation within each subgroup (and overlap with other subgroups), that you can't prejudge a person.
It means you still have to evaluate each individual on their own merits.
 
Hendrik_2000

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SleepyStudent said:
I'm begging you to learn what the 1965 INA says. National origins is out
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Still based on quota of immigrant from any country should not exceed 7% Well not many Norwegian want to immigrate to state But hordes of prospective immigrant from Mexico, Phillipine, India creating bottle neck. So your chance of getting immigrant via from those countries are less than say European countries.

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Throw the idea that a country needs immigrants in order to advance in technology with Obama telling China how to innovate. Why would the US give away the secrets to innovation when you see today the US peeing in their skirts in fear of Chinese technological advancements? It was a trick because what did Obama say were the ingredients to innovation? Political openness. He thought the Chinese were dumb enough to believe that so that China would open that Pandora's Box. Innovation was just bait. That's what happening here. Why would the US be concerned unless it was just bait so they can accomplish a different goal. Why would an Indian want to work for Chinese technological advancement? Scare Chinese into needing them so they can demand millions in salary? How about taking credit for Chinese advancements that don't need them in the first place. They really can't claim that if they're not there. Another reason they hate China is because China disproves what they say how things are suppose to be and when the world sees that, people stop listening to them.
 
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Hendrik_2000 said:
Still based on quota of immigrant from any country should not exceed 7% Well not many Norwegian want to immigrate to state But hordes of prospective immigrant from Mexico, Phillipine, India creating bottle neck. So your chance of getting immigrant via from those countries are less than say European countries.

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Yeah, there definitely is a disparate impact with immigration since not all countries are of equal size.
 
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Immigration is only beneficial for the economy when there is a demand for labor. China on the other hand is dealing with a surplus of labor in STEM - it's got its hands full trying to keep all of its STEM graduates employed. It's a monumental task trying to create millions of new STEM jobs each year to absorb the new STEM graduates as it is - pulling in immigrants is only going to lead to societal issues as job competition will intensify and a downward pressure will be applied to wages.
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You seem to think that labor markets are constrained. They aren't. It's well established that introducing new engineering talent (even in areas with substantial engineering talent) improves employment outcomes for all sectors because of the multiplier effect. Immigration is part of creating new employment (though obviously on a micro-level, it needs specific policy finessing). I'm also of the mind that China's labor markets have substantial allocation issues, not actual AD issues given that there are substantial firms in China with openings that take a long time to fill as well as the high disparity in incomes across the sector.
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
This is no longer the 1980's where a real brain drain was occurring. Back then, it was China's brightest and smartest that were leaving the country to pursue better opportunities and standard of living in the United States. Today, it is more of a transfer of surplus labor - the best and the brightest in most technological fields are choosing to stay in China, with surplus talent flowing into the United States.
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Not really though? The main mechanism by which people in China leave for the United States and are allowed to stay is through OPT or the H1B visa program, and that will primarily involve post-graduate, not undergraduate students.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
Throw the idea that a country needs immigrants in order to advance in technology with Obama telling China how to innovate.
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Strawman. Needs? No. Is beneficial for? Yes
AssassinsMace said:
Why would the US give away the secrets to innovation when you see today the US peeing in their skirts in fear of Chinese technological advancements?
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Public policy isn't secret. It, by its very definition, is *public* since the bureaucracies to manage them are large enough that it's impossible to be secret.
AssassinsMace said:
It was a trick because what did Obama say were the ingredients to innovation? Political openness. He thought the Chinese were dumb enough to believe that so that China would open that Pandora's Box. Innovation was just bait. That's what happening here.
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LOL, I wish the USG paid me. If Obama said political openness is necessary for innovation, that's wrong. There is no empirical support for that. The empirical support and causal mechanisms between immigration & economic growth are well known.
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Why would the US be concerned unless it was just bait so they can accomplish a different goal. Why would an Indian want to work for Chinese technological advancement?
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Because I'm a legal degenerate aspiring to be a policy wonk. I'm not Indian
AssassinsMace said:
Scare Chinese into needing them so they can demand millions in salary? How about taking credit for Chinese advancements that don't need them in the first place. They really can't claim that if they're not there. Another reason they hate China is because China disproves what they say how things are suppose to be and when the world sees that, people stop listening to them.
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I don't hate China (or any country)
 
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