*New J-10 Thread*

[Violet Oboe]

Ofone shows the correct attitude: Aim high and be never satisfied!:china:

I remember wondering myself about the damned slow pace of the Shenzou program: is the head of China's space program some kind of human turtle? In the US or Russia the guy would have got the boot a decade ago! The entire top echelons of management in aerospace and defense industry have to be rejuvenated in the next years: Anyone over 50 must retire (these guys are also these overly cautious turtle types and they also have often some dirty corruption spots on their shirts!) and new talent in their twenties has to be hired in great numbers.

How want these guys ever close in to the US and even reach the moon in 2020?? These geniuses launch a man in ´03, wait two years to launch two in ´05 and wait another three to launch (I hope so) two men in ´08! There exists no parallel in 45 years of russian and US manned space history since such a glacial launch schedule is simply an idiotic waste of scientific and material resources. Indeed a great deal has to be learned and if those inept bureaucrats are not fired soon China will suffer dearly!

Nevertheless underestimating China's overall technological progress is a mistake but if China aims to reach the top, mountains will have to be moved in the coming decades but China's youth has the spirit in them to achieve this kind of feat.

 

[Gollevainen]

Ok little less waving that red banner and little more about J-10...

Its true that minimalizing or underestimating the chinese progress is unwise, but its equally unwise to make use it as a counter-argumenting and stating overestimations and pure propaganda for return. So thus lets just stick to the facts and to the actually issue...

 

[crobato]

I forgot to add in my brief comparison that late version F-16s have an armament advantage over the J-10 in the form of AMRAAM C7 and AIM-9X. Not all F-16s have this however.

I remember wondering myself about the damned slow pace of the Shenzou program: is the head of China's space program some kind of human turtle? In the US or Russia the guy would have got the boot a decade ago! The entire top echelons of management in aerospace and defense industry have to be rejuvenated in the next years: Anyone over 50 must retire (these guys are also these overly cautious turtle types and they also have often some dirty corruption spots on their shirts!) and new talent in their twenties has to be hired in great numbers.

Instead of passing judgement on the scientists and engineers from an armchair, why not let them be? They are in the front seat and front line of development and knows what the problems and the pitfalls are. What the young guys simply don't have is experience, the experience to know all the pitfalls and problems. As if you expect a fancy design in paper to be right the first time.

 

[coolieno99]

...Assemble,not manufacture!!!!because china can't manufacture any aerobus like A-320.

What's the difference between assemble and manufacture ?

 

[kongliang]

Do not mind ,take it easy .
Maybe ,it is the first time that "ofone" come to a forum like this .

Some guy may know our chinese military forums ,most of them are so confusion that many threads filled with them ,and the debate is so hot that many opinions expressed no matter true or false ,most of them do not have the evidence and sources ,because most of them are so young that do not have so much patience .But this way also have some advantages ,some guys may use any tools and ways to prove that their opinions are true .This is good for the intelligence ,and not so good for the study .

I believe that through more reading on this forum and more practice ,his replies will be more rational and scientific .

After tired of the debate ,then I went to the forums like this .On this forum ,I can learn more about a weapon than our forums .Of course ,when I have some new sources ,I will contribute to this forum.

 

[goldenpanda]

Well said kongliang

While Chinese space program does appear slow, we have to keep in mind it's funding level is 1/10th of NASA today, while NASA itself is severely smaller than during its heyday. China is taking a slow and steady approach at the strategic level. I'm sure the individual engineers and development people are working quite hard. China's per capita income is closer to Iran than to the great powers. So there are many other priorities for the people.

 

[ofone]

Lol, how many locomotives in the west reach 300km?

None, other than the German ones.

Maglev or magnetic levitation is currently the cutting edge of the state of the art. Why do you think an electrical company like Siemens is involved?

The levitations with electric power in German France America and Japan can reach 300km/h in 1970s.

and maglev levitation in shanghai was bought from Siemens.China do not have any correlative tech.

Sorry but Godson 2 is over 1 GHz. Reliability over EMP? All chips are not reliable against EMP. You have to design special chip packages and Faraday cages over the equipment to shield them.

Godson 2E is over 1 GHz.but it is too new,and it must pass a lot of tests.

The reliability not only means to against EMP.In the battlefield,it must works under any environment,any humidity,any temperature,and so on....

And how many other countries besides American and the Soviet Union that ever sent an astronaut to space?

None. Not Japan, not Germany, not France, not the Great Britain.

There is nothing wrong with being third. Just so long you have actually done something.

There are many Japanese/German/French/English astronauts have been sent to space.EU have the ability to build spaceship,but they didn't.Because they do not need.

China have to build the spaceship by ourselves,and the chinese astronauts came too late.

Lol. Some Americans think that the US secretely allows technology to seep through to China to help create a "threat" so the US can justify their own defense programs. Can't let the competition fall too behind, can we?

In fact,America never allows technology to seep through to China.Last year,our lab want to buy a thing from America,but finally proved that it's forbidden.We have to buy a similar thing in Japan.

America never give a chance to China to make China become a friend.Is this right??

Lol. Ordinance is very different from aeronautical engineering. Tianjin isn't very near centers of aeronautical and electronic engineering like Chengdu, Shenyang, and Nanjing.

Planes are not made of cheap labor. They require an investment in the most complex machinery, including 5 axis milling machines. They require skilled and trained labor, which even in China, the wages of such are going up every year.

J-10 is not designed in one city.Do you think all the aeronautical engineers in China are just living in Chengdu,Shenyang,or Nanjing......

The income of a common engineer in China is no more than 10000 dollars per year.And this part of money is payed by the government,no matter whether there is a J-10 project or not.So this part of money do not include into the cost of J-10 project.

As the same,the government give moneys to buy a lot of machines,no matter whether there is a J-10 project.Those do no include too.

There will be also some special fees to the J-10 project,its the cost of J-10 project.

The resources and the materials which is needed in J-10 flighter can be supported by the government by a very low price.

The flighter is build by the government,the research institutions and the factorys belong to government.The government will not earn the money
of themselves.So the cost is very low.

If J-10 will be saled to Pakistan,it may be 25 millions dollars per flighter or more.

 

[ofone]

I actually have some doubts about how much do u really know about the J-10. For most military projects, only the core group of engineer can really have a good picture about things they are building. The projects would be dividied into several sections the manufacturing, testings prior, testing after the project... the list goes on and on. My dad's company was working on a joint project(military) with the Canadian government. It was not until very late did they know what the program was for. Before that they were just told "you suppose design this thing, that fits the following requirement...". If you ever get a chance to talk to the top tier scientists from the US national lad, who had left for a high paying job(sadly), most of them have no clue about the purpose of their work, except for the acedimic ones. I am sure, J-10 is a much bigger project, involving much more people...

Yes,I do just know a part about the J-10,and this part seriously can't be satisfying.

 

[ofone]

Ofone shows the correct attitude: Aim high and be never satisfied!:china:

Yes!

In ten years,J-14 will be deployed,and it will be a real fighter plane which can against F-22

 

[goldenpanda]

Hi ofone I don't think we need to be too depressed about importing something. It's just a normal part of trade. The important thing is whether you want to be good at what YOU do. So cheer up please and make some nice bombs!

Can you say anything more about your work? I'm interested to hear about it.