*New J-10 Thread*

[challenge]

I've always thought JH-7 has shown tremendous potential in the naval strike role. China it seems, has been successful in integrating good avionics and weapons into this platform. I'm wondering how they are increasing it's payload though by one ton. And how that will affect it's combat radius. I don't think JH-7 can be air-refueled. But I think you're right. The implementation of LGB's, and the introduction of a land atttack version of YJ-83 on it gives it a higher rating than what was suggested years earlier.

Just so we don't steer off course on this J-10 thread, I find it interesting that J-10 will have 200 units by next year. They're well ahead of schedule if true. And proves that J-11 is definitely not the priority for PLAAF.

purchased of JH-7 was symbolic,the project started in late 70's by the time it enter service, it was out class by the russian SU-33/27,the order for JH-7 was reduced,to entice the PLAAF to purchase the JH-7 improvement being make to fire air to ground precsision weapon.
AVIC may have looking next gen/ of fighter bomber to replace JH-7A

 

[crobato]

The Spey is an engine with a lot of potential but it isn't making use of it. So there is plenty of room to tweak it up. A modest 500kg of thrust per engine can amount to a total of 1 ton addition thrust for the entire plane with two engines.

Air to air combat I don't see a JH-7A holding up to an Su-30, but if the mission is to bomb and run away, an Su-30 isn't going to do it any better. Maximum payload does not matter much when you're dealing with smart munitions, what's more important is having the hardpoints stressed enough to carry a large smart munition or missile. In that sense, an Su-30 isn't any better.

RCS is one consideration for a future strike jet, but a future J-XX won't offer that much improvement either if the munitions had to be carried externally.

4-5 J-10s a month is pretty good in my book, Boeing can only manage half of that making their Super Hornets. Electron beam welding is the bottleneck when it comes to producing new fighters, not engine supply.

 

[challenge]

just buy the combat aircraft,the articles never mention the (minor)contribution make TsAGI,China did sought help from TsAGI,russian technician together with there chinese counterpart uses super cumputer (galaxy-1) to compute complex calculation for the aircraft.

 

[alamgir]

i have read in deferent d forums that j10 radar may be isreal mad if some one give me right information about the avionics uses in j10 and also give some information about j10 and su30mki which plane is bater

 

[challenge]

few years ago, top81.com claim that J-10 uses DVI (direct voice input), during the this year Zhuhai airshow, hint that J-10 may actually use DVI.

 

[swimmerXC]

wth is this guy doing..

 

[tphuang]

this is some really wild rumour

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basically saying that the first division is getting J-10A starting from November 3rd. And then a second guy is doubting the location.

 

[tphuang]

alright, more rumours on J-10, at least the guy who post this is more credible imo

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basically saying that the current production rate is 7 J-10s per month and will have produced 60 this year. This rate started in August. And that right now 3 assembly lines are available at CAC. Earlier on, only one line produced J-10, because the other two were producing J-7 (why, are they still wasting time on this piece of junk?) and JF-17 (again, taking one production line away from J-10 just for 2 or 3 prototypes? that stinks)

 

[crobato]

this is some really wild rumour

basically saying that the first division is getting J-10A starting from November 3rd. And then a second guy is doubting the location.

In a way I had my doubts too. Although they had J-7Es in one regiment, 1st Division is almost like SAC's own pet air division at their backyard. First to get the J-8F for example, and although the 2nd Division was probably the first unit to get a few J-11s, the 1st Division is the first one to have a regiment completely converted to them.

If there are J-11Bs they may be the first to get them. If there are transitional models of the J-11, like Russian engines but has Chinese FCS to fire PL-12s, they would be the first to get it too. If they did, the planes would go to the existing J-11 regiments, replacing older J-11s which would then be transferred to another regiment, perhaps the 3rd Regiment of the 1st Division, or replace the old Su-27s still in the 19th Division, which in turn will go to the 6th.

This is not say I heard such a rumor before early this year that the 1st Division may have one regiment that will convert to J-10. It's quite likely the J-10s will have one regiment per MR, so there should be one for Shenyang MR, one for Jinan MR and one for Lanzhou MR. The J-10s in the 3rd Divison would cover Nanjing MR, the J-10s in the FTTC would cover Beijing MR, and the rumored conversion of one regiment in the 2nd Division would cover Guangzhou MR.

 

[crobato]

alright, more rumours on J-10, at least the guy who post this is more credible imo

basically saying that the current production rate is 7 J-10s per month and will have produced 60 this year. This rate started in August. And that right now 3 assembly lines are available at CAC. Earlier on, only one line produced J-10, because the other two were producing J-7 (why, are they still wasting time on this piece of junk?) and JF-17 (again, taking one production line away from J-10 just for 2 or 3 prototypes? that stinks)

Probably they have order from Bangladesh to fill. I also heard that 32 J-7G is supposed to be produced this year.

I still think, even though the plane is coming out nicely, the FC-1 is an unnecessary distraction and waste of resources spent. With the J-10 going well, it no longer has any purpose as being a fail safe backup for a PLAAF tactical support fighter. Furthermore, Klimov's smokey engines and reliability issues seems even more questionable than Salut's, as well as the lack of a clear roadmap to upgrade the engine. At least Salut is upgrading the FN series.

I do think one reason why CAC is still pushing the FC-1 is that they, along with AVIC, see more profit selling FC-1s to export customers than making J-10s for the PLAAF.