*New J-10 Thread*

[Sczepan]

Is Pakistan the only state being considered as a potential J-10 client? I'm thinking Iran, Syria, and maybe even Egypt might want to have a look at the J-10 for their Air Forces.

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as I know, the J 10 is using russian engines, and a part of the russian-chinese contract includes, that china is not allowed to offer chinese fighters when the russians ar biding in the market .... so we should not believe in Syria; maybe Iran and Egypt, I also think, some southamericans (Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil to be named) could be interested

 

[kooe]

well i don't know much about j-10 but i do now china isn't exporting them to anyone since is so advance fighter jet!

 

[unknauthr]

Potential for J-10 Sales to Pakistan

as I know, the J 10 is using russian engines, and a part of the russian-chinese contract includes, that china is not allowed to offer chinese fighters when the russians ar biding in the market

I heartily agree that China cannot currently contemplate export of the J-10 in markets where the Russians already are competing (including Venezuela, Bolivia, or many other parts of the world). That being said, the Pakistan prospect appears to be gaining momentum. According to Jane's Defense Weekly:

From: "Pakistan Set to Expand Fighter Aircraft Fleet," Jane'S Defence Weekly - July 12, 2006

Pakistan is working on an agreement with China to equip its air force with the JF-17 'Thunder' fighter aircraft. At least 150 of the JF-17s are due to be inducted into the PAF from 2007 in a deal estimated to be worth at least USD2.3 billion.

In May, the Pakistani cabinet approved the purchase of an unspecified number of the J-10 fighter aircraft from China. Western defence experts in Islamabad said Pakistan could buy up to 36 of the J-10s in a deal worth USD1.5 billion.

The simultaneous orders for US fighter aircraft and fighter aircraft from China were described by Pakistani officials as an attempt to keep the supply lines open. This follows a US decision in 1990 to suspend an earlier agreement for the sale of 60 F-16 A/B fighter aircraft on the grounds that Pakistan had acquired the capability to produce nuclear weapons.

"It has taken Pakistan more than 16 years to reverse that bitter legacy. We don't ever want to depend again on just a single source," a Pakistani defence ministry official told Jane's.

"Our plans with China, therefore, must remain intact."

 

[Sea Dog]

Re: Potential for J-10 Sales to Pakistan

I heartily agree that China cannot currently contemplate export of the J-10 in markets where the Russians already are competing (including Venezuela, Bolivia, or many other parts of the world). That being said, the Pakistan prospect appears to be gaining momentum. According to Jane's Defense Weekly:

Why not? If the Chinese have the best options and costs that a foreign purchaser wants, then why not make the offer? I'm thinking China has the aircraft configuration at least in mind for a potential export version of the J-10. It would be nice to know who might be interested.

 

[tphuang]

Re: Potential for J-10 Sales to Pakistan

found something kind of cute. One of the magazines is trying to gage the hourly and annual maintenance fee of J-10/J-11.

summary is that J-10 costs about 32 million Yuan (4 million US) per year and J-11 is about 42 million Yuan (5.4 million US) per year.

 

[Sea Dog]

So basically running J-10 squadrons will be cheaper than J-11. You can get more units out for the same money or less. Interesting. Do they attribute this cost difference to anything?


P.S. Do they also compare J-8 and J-7 as I think those are pictured also?

 

[tphuang]

So basically running J-10 squadrons will be cheaper than J-11. You can get more units out for the same money or less. Interesting. Do they attribute this cost difference to anything?


P.S. Do they also compare J-8 and J-7 as I think those are pictured also?

They had a chart in the first picture that had 4 annonymous groups of fighters and what % of total lifetime cost is used for purchase and for usage. And then, the author was just guessing which fighters each group represented.

As for the rest, it was more guessing. But in general, I'd think J-10 would be cheaper to maintain than J-11. It is smaller and single engined.

 

[Sea Dog]

They had a chart in the first picture that had 4 annonymous groups of fighters and what % of total lifetime cost is used for purchase and for usage. And then, the author was just guessing which fighters each group represented.

As for the rest, it was more guessing. But in general, I'd think J-10 would be cheaper to maintain than J-11. It is smaller and single engined.

Oh. I see. And yeah, I think you're right. J-10 is single engine and smaller, so it stand to reason that it would be cheaper to maintain. I was just thinking because of the more advanced avionics, it might increase maintenance cost issues. Probably not that much of an offset though.

And primarily, for the same money, you can maintain a higher sortie rate with J-10.

 

[crobato]

Having newer electronics also makes it easier and cheaper to maintain. Obsolescence is a cost to maintain by itself. You noticed why IBM charges a lot just to maintain old mainframes? That's because obsolete electronics are not produced anymore, and the supply of spares would simply run out.

 

[kooe]

DSI on j-10??? anyone can confirm this pic? i thought DSI are not suitable for highspeed intercepters....