New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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SteelBird said:
Your argument might be true but what I wanted to point out is that both U8 and this vehicle borrow the design concept from the Defender. If they pay IP fees, that's good! If no, that is copycat!

At China's car design has gone up to another level compared to 10 years ago and from this level, there should be no more copycat. I am a supporter of Chinese cars but I don't support copycat. China should have its own car design.
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I also said the U8 looks like the Defender (and a Rolls Royce combined).

There is no IP in design really. Unless they are ripping off the logo. Similar to how Jeep sued AM General (HMMWV maker) over the grill design and lost.

While I understand the general feeling of what you're saying, I find that cars today are becoming less and less original (similar to fighter planes). Because of computer aided design and customer focus groups, often times car manufacturers are optimizing for basically all the same things, so the designs turn out to be very similar.

You are calling the Chery and U8 copycats of the Defender, but they also basically look like the Bronco, Wrangler, etc. Who's copying who? Customers' just have a certain expectation of what a "Tough Car" looks like, and the result is a bunch of cars that look the same1200x800.jpg

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Apparently they weren't even BMW employees. Whose employees were they then? BYD employees?
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Probably hired by some promo agency who is running the booth.
"Hey you look pretty! Hand out this ice cream..."
 
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western media catching on to the Shanghai motor show after 3 years. the decline of legacy western automakers is now widely reported.

Unfortunately, they are still quite behind on times and don't realize that NIO and XPeng are in trouble. The automaker you should be talking about outside of BYD are Li Auto, Huawei and Zeekr
 
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western media catching on to the Shanghai motor show after 3 years. the decline of legacy western automakers is now widely reported.

Unfortunately, they are still quite behind on times and don't realize that NIO and XPeng are in trouble. The automaker you should be talking about outside of BYD are Li Auto, Huawei and Zeekr
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Here's to hoping Huawei eventually takes a big chunk of the market. They need those profits to fuel their R&D in other areas now that cell phones are a tiny drop of what they used to be for them.
 
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western media catching on to the Shanghai motor show after 3 years. the decline of legacy western automakers is now widely reported.

Unfortunately, they are still quite behind on times and don't realize that NIO and XPeng are in trouble. The automaker you should be talking about outside of BYD are Li Auto, Huawei and Zeekr
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Nio's ceo was showing off his cars for xiaomi's founder in Shanghai. If they can somehow merge Nio and Xiaomi's EV efforts, that would save them a lot of resources. Nio's ceo will then lead xiaomi's EV department.
 
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henrik said:
Nio's ceo was showing off his cars for xiaomi's founder in Shanghai. If they can somehow merge Nio and Xiaomi's EV efforts, that would save them a lot of resources. Nio's ceo will then lead xiaomi's EV department.
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What I am curious about is how domestic politics in Germany will change if China suddenly allows German Volkswagen to acquire Xpeng and NIO.
 
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how domestic politics in Germany will change if China suddenly allows German Volkswagen to acquire Xpeng and NIO.
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Not sure why VW would even want to do that even if they could. Western OEMs are lagging behind in battery tech, where both XP and NIO are dependent on others. The big reason why BYD and Tesla are both ahead is because they have their own in-house battery developments.

What Europe needs is our own CATL, but the continent has slept on the wheel for too many years and is only now waking up. Acquiring XP or NIO wouldn't solve any of these issues.

The new EV era has two distinct differences. The first is that batteries are now central along with electric motors. VW is good on motors but battery is new territory.

The second is that you will eventually need to focus much more on chips and software than in the past, particularly for self-driving. These two areas will be the key differentiators.
 
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The funny thing is that because of these 2 poorly-raised girls, Chinese people are in a huff while BMW got totally blindsided, probably couldn't even believe such a thing happened and all the white people there are just like, WTF??

BMW couldn't possibly have asked these 2 girls to favor white people when handing out ice cream; they spent all the money to come to China and to this auto show to attract Chinese people. Never in a million years did HR imagine that they would have to ask during the gig interview, "Would you hand out the ice cream in a non-racist and fair way or would you favor white people when handing them out?" That manager probably fell off his chair when he heard that such a retarded and unexpected thing happened and now he would have to do some massive damage control.

The white people there probably have no idea what was going on, got an ice cream or didn't get one, then noticed some angry Chinese bloggers running around handing out free ice cream. (I heard that some bloggers went out, bought a ton of ice cream and went to the auto show handing them out to only Chinese people.) So some probably stuck their hands out and said, "I'd like one too please," never expecting to be met with a scowling, "NO!! Only Chinese!!"

This whole thing is as sad as it is funny...
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This incident should serve as a reminder to foreign companies to increase training on racism and weed out white worshipping culture.

It should NOT however be a pretext for the complete destruction of BMW in China. That would send a shocking signal to foreign investors that you can lose billions over actions you can't really control. The result would be bad for China's economy overall.
 
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