New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

tphuang

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China was never going to export cars freely indeed. Automotive is protected pretty much everywhere. This is why large automakers have so many factories throughout the world. Such a practice wouldn't make sense without restrictions by the governments. What is going to happen is Chinese manufacturers will expand globally too.

And I agree about the nature of American tariffs too. They are of malice and China needs to react adequately. I don't think those "moral high ground" arguments hold any water. Nobody in the USA applauds China for being open.
nah, as I told you before, there are too many stupid liberals in China that got trained under Western school of economics that think the West actually cares about free market and stuff like that

auto industry has always been protected around the world. No country with an auto industry will allow you to just come and sell products there.

But most countries (except US) would completely welcome Chinese investment in building EVs there. That's what you saw with BYD getting into Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Hungary, Brazil and Mexico. In every case, it made a deal with local govt. Let me set up here and sell my vehicles at reduced tariffs. But I will be building factory here and over time, you will see huge local production
 

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Sany delivery electric stackers to Indonesia.

So electrification goes beyond and far beyond just passenger vehicles and that's very important, since other countries are just not making these electrified commercial vehicle or machineries that are competitive
Underground mining is also a massive market for electric vehicles, no more diesel fumes means large QoL increase for workers. You also minimise the amount of combustible material underground which increases safety.
 

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Reminds me of the interesting fact that some of Norway's tunnel rescue teams use China's EVs because they are less vulnerable to low oxygen and soot than ICEs during a dense fire.
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Zeekr is entering Indonesian and Malaysian markets.
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Good, such backpedaling means less competition for China.

VW Is Shifting Billions From EV Plans to Gas Car Development​

VW isn’t the first major automaker to reassess the EV situation, joining Ford, GM, and Mercedes-Benz.
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BYD will have an IPO on the Mexico stock market.
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The Chery iCar V23 was co-developed with a Xiaomi subsidiary and will be available in China later this year.
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China was never going to export cars freely indeed. Automotive is protected pretty much everywhere. This is why large automakers have so many factories throughout the world. Such a practice wouldn't make sense without restrictions by the governments. What is going to happen is Chinese manufacturers will expand globally too.

And I agree about the nature of American tariffs too. They are of malice and China needs to react adequately. I don't think those "moral high ground" arguments hold any water. Nobody in the USA applauds China for being open.

American cars are basically taking themselves out of the market, bans are irrelevant. In fact, IMO, if any western or Japanese brand withdraws from the Chinese market without government intervention it is a pretty strong signal. In fact, I think a ban at this point would work AGAINST perceptions because it would be publicized as China being scared of competition.

Most western auto journalists say Chinese PHEVs and EVs are miles ahead. What competition does a DM-i 5.0 car have in North America? Nothing. The Camry Hybrid is double the fuel consumption and has no EV mode. At double the Chinese MSRP it is still super competitive value-wise, even at 3X it would probably be competitive if there was some performance tuning.

One of the most popular PHEVs in North America is the RAV4 Prime, the limiting factor of sales is mainly production. The EV range is only 70 Km, a DM-i 5.0 version of the Song Plus would likely beat that plus offer better fuel economy.

This is what Motor Trend said about the current-gen Song Plus
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