New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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Diletank

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30 hydrogen powered buses have now entered service with Baidu. 12m buses using 123kW fuel cell
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Strange. In the photo the bus is 10.6m long, not 12m.
And with 70kW fuel cells.
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A 12 m long bus looks different:
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But it also has fuel cells only 89kW, not 123kW.
Strange.
 
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Geely-Backed Auto Suppliers Unveil 7nm Smart Drive Chip to Rival Nvidia​

What’s new: China’s auto parts supplier Ecarx Holdings Inc. and SiEngine Technology Co. Ltd. on Wednesday unveiled a 7-nanometer smart drive chip with a maximum computing power comparable to Nvidia’s Orin chip that powers self-driving vehicles.

The AD1000 automotive grade 7nm chip boasts 256 TOPS of graphics rendering capability on a single unit and can achieve a maximum computing power of 1,024 TOPS with multi-core integration, the two companies said. TOPS stands for trillion operations per second, a measure of a chip’s maximum achievable throughput.
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That's no problem. It's up to BYD to decide what kind of risks it is willing to put up with. At least the door might be open under Trump. But realistically, the biggest help Trump might give to China's EV industry is just abolishing IRA and killing American auto industry's desire to innvoate
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I don't think that BYD or any other Chinese company should invest in the US. Why would they want to halp create jobs for Americans and transfer technology to America when the relationship is so tense.
 
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I don't think that BYD or any other Chinese company should invest in the US. Why would they want to halp create jobs for Americans and transfer technology to America when the relationship is so tense.
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local production for market access is a common formula. As for tech transfer, did any of those foreign JVs with Chinese automakers lead to legacy Chinese auto catching up? If not, then why the concern about other way around?
 
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local production for market access is a common formula. As for tech transfer, did any of those foreign JVs with Chinese automakers lead to legacy Chinese auto catching up? If not, then why the concern about other way around?
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The experience gained from the JV has allowed many Chinese makers to become very competitive in both gasoline vehicles and EVs.
 
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The experience gained from the JV has allowed many Chinese makers to become very competitive in both gasoline vehicles and EVs.
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China only got ahead because investment into EVs. The only automakers that innovated were Geely and BYD with their ultra high efficient ICE enigne. Those two clearly had no relationship with JVs. SAIC, FAW, GAC and BAIC didn't develop anything innovative. They were throttled due to reliance on foreign tech
 
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China only got ahead because investment into EVs. The only automakers that innovated were Geely and BYD with their ultra high efficient ICE enigne. Those two clearly had no relationship with JVs. SAIC, FAW, GAC and BAIC didn't develop anything innovative. They were throttled due to reliance on foreign tech
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SAIC, FAW, GAC and BAIC are now able to make competitive gasoline vehicles. They don't have to develop anything innovative in ICE to be competitive in gasoline vehicles.
 
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