New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China
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Not sure if posted here before but it seems like the western automakers are struggling. I think one main issue besides the price war and race to the bottom is the same trap that Western automakers fell to in the 70s that allowed for Japan to dominate the market. Namely the obsession with extremely large and heavy cars with horrible fuel efficiency. In China and SEA, most EVs that are being sold are pretty small and lightweight, as compared to the average American car. With the limited range of EVs that extra weight is an major issue, that means that the average American EV needs a larger battery pack, which adds cost.
Also the car friendly cities and suburbs that forces an average car to drive for longer distances on average, again is a big issue for EVs with limited range, more so than for ICE cars.
It's funny, America automakers pretty much only have the American and maybe the European market, everywhere else will be gobbled up by Chinese automakers. But the nature and culture of American society means that EVs will always be at a disadvantage compared to ICE cars there. So American EV automakers will always be at a disadvantage primarily selling to their own market.
Would be great if you could quote some sources or numbers for some dubious statements like “In China …, most EVs that are being sold are pretty small…”
Why would that change? Making it harder for cars to be imported from China will only further incentivize Chinese companies from cooperating with them to sell in Europe.
Chinese EV makers will just make vehicles in Mexico for the North American market. US car makers will have to cooperate with Chinese EV makers and battery makers.
if you don't know what you are talking about wrt Chinese EVs, please go read up this thread. This kind of stuff really irks me
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The level of coverage on china ev inc is frankly embarrassing. Some important news from this week that nobody is connecting
This same Chinese blogger shared his first hand experience of driving a NEV for six months. Some highlights including:
- He could have saved another 40-50k yuans had he waited to buy a NEV now because of larger rebate and lower price. And he would have been able to upgrade it to a better model, i.e. AWD, too.
- Mileage reached 10000km in 6 months. In comparison, with his previous car, a VW ICE, that he had for 9 years, he went about 7000km per year in average. He said it was due to the high cost of gasoline.
- This 10000km cost him 690 yuans on electricity of 1950kWh from his own charging station at home.
- This EV requires a service in shop on every 20000km while his last ICE car required one for each 5000km. He said one of his friends, another EV owner, paid less 2000 yuans in total for the cost of services over the mileage of 40000km.
- He drove mostly in two types of traffic in Shanghai: on fast ring roads and on slow and slow and jammed city streets. In spring time, his EV could have reached the max range of 680km on a full charge which took about 100kWh. In summer it would be a bit less at 650km because of air conditioning. In winter at 0 degree Celsius, with heating on the range would have dropped to 500km. In the worst scenario, driving on expressway in 0 degree Celsius with heating, he could have done 420km.
- He could have saved another 40-50k yuans had he waited to buy a NEV now because of larger rebate and lower price. And he would have been able to upgrade it to a better model, i.e. AWD, too.
- Mileage reached 10000km in 6 months. In comparison, with his previous car, a VW ICE, that he had for 9 years, he went about 7000km per year in average. He said it was due to the high cost of gasoline.
- This 10000km cost him 690 yuans on electricity of 1950kWh from his own charging station at home.
- This EV requires a service in shop on every 20000km while his last ICE car required one for each 5000km. He said one of his friends, another EV owner, paid less 2000 yuans in total for the cost of services over the mileage of 40000km.
- He drove mostly in two types of traffic in Shanghai: on fast ring roads and on slow and slow and jammed city streets. In spring time, his EV could have reached the max range of 680km on a full charge which took about 100kWh. In summer it would be a bit less at 650km because of air conditioning. In winter at 0 degree Celsius, with heating on the range would have dropped to 500km. In the worst scenario, driving on expressway in 0 degree Celsius with heating, he could have done 420km.