New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

henrik

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From a buyer's perspective, it could be service network. However the reality is that Toyota needs this experience even if the sales are pitiful.

This is not different from the NUMMI factory in Fremont CA (now owned by Tesla) and CAMI factory in Ingersoll ON.

NUMMI was making rebadged Toyota Corollas as Geo Prizms (GM) and later Corolla-based Matrix and Pontiac Vibe.

CAMI was making Suzuki Vitara and Swift rebadged as Geo Tracker and Metro respectively. Sales of these models were never great, but GM needed to learn "The Toyota Way" (Japanese-style management).

Now the master is the student once again as Toyota needs to learn "The BYD Way". Toyota has so little experience with building their own EVs. It seems simple, but the bZ4X rollout has been a total disaster.

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estimated order backlog for different automakers
looks like only BYD & Li Auto have more than 1 month of backlog

Euro N-CAP 5 stars for seal, dolphin & xpeng P7

Huge showing at Japan mobility show by BYD and huge crows

SVOLT with new 325Ah battery for ESS
 

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my thoughts on this deal and what's up and coming. Clearly, BMW & MBG are next in this search for JV with chinese automakers

on a different note, FAW Jiefang partnering up with Huawei for bringing AI to trucks
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This came right after Tencent partnered up with For-U for bringing AI to trucks
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Before there was Dongfeng and 智加科技
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which came at the same time as Deepway is delivering on its smart electric HDTs

Yeah, autonomous driving is coming to trucking industry in china
 
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This Leapmotor deal is literally huge... as in the largest stake taken by a foreign automaker in a Chinese EV startup. It seems like the Dongfeng asset sale freed up the money to do this.

I imagine this will likely kill the VW-Leapmotor Jetta?

I think the big shakeup is coming. The industry will consolidate since cheap money is not on the table anymore. The start ups need capital to keep ramping up production and marketing, the old guard need a fresh blood transfusion. If the established automakers don't start making plays for the startups now, then the cost of acquisition or competition will only go up.

China Inc is racing ahead here BMW & MBG have no choice but to find Chinese partners Even if EU puts in tariffs on Chinese cars, BMW & MBG would still loose out to Tesla, VW, Audi & now Stellantis Big Q is what happens w/ Ford & GM Would be political nightmarish situation if Ford teamed up w/ BYD

For GM, their natural partnership would be to deepen their ties with SAIC. They are already making the Wuling EV together, and SAIC is already the leading exporter of EVs from China (excluding Tesla).

Li Shufu of Geely has personal holdings of MBz of roughly 10%. MBz also passed the smart brand into Geely's operation.

Ford and BMW don't have natural partners. I don't think BYD would tie up with Ford in any equity sense due to Ford's legacy burdens. That being said, they did divide up the company into Ford Blue and Ford New or whatever, so that could help. However, BYD has had no problems going on their own so far, so there is no urgency on their end. Plus they still have the full confidence of Buffet's lieutenant Charlie Munger. Ford could actually work with Great Wall (Haval) if politics was not an issue. Ford's trucks are their strongest performers, it would go well to work with GWM on that.

I think from some of the charts shown here, BMW EV Sales in China are okay so far. Their CEO says they expect the "Neue Klasse" platform to give some forward momentum, so I think they will be in a bit of a holding pattern.

Now the other question not addressed is "What about the SOE car makers?". These guys are lumbering dinosaurs, no one is talking about them (besides SAIC and the occasional interesting product), but they have all the factory and all the support of their respective local governments. They can come in at any time.
 

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yutong bus has been quite the success recently
at recent Busworld Europe, it won two awards for its T15E electric bus
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it also displayed
U11DD double decker sightseeing bus, 18-m long large bus and E7S mini electric bus

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T15E quite interesting
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it has range of 550km in single charge with 630kWh battery pack

U18 has 422kWh or 563kWh battery pack and can carry 120 people

U11DD has 384kWh battery pack

E7S has 134kWh battery pack and can carry 41 people for 240km
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