New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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i already posted this tweet in semiconductor thread, but it's important here too

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按照四维图新的公开数据,2022年公司在车载信息娱乐系统处理器SoC赛道的前装国内市占率10%,为国内最高;后装全球市占率40%,70%出口海外。

这意味着,随着芯驰科技、芯擎科技、紫光展锐等更多本土座舱SoC厂商陆续在前装市场实现前装量产出货,以及高通8155产品搭载车型价位的不断下探,后续价格竞争无疑将给杰发科技带来不小的影响。
says that for in vehicle infotainment system (IVI), it has 10% market share for SoC in China. 70% are export
As other cockpit SoCs (from semidrive, SiEngine & Unisoc) enter market and with QCOM-8155 continuing to be used for lower priced cars, this shrink market for Autochips
此外,在32位车规级MCU赛道,四维图新自称是国内公司出货量第一名,MCU在杰发科技总收入中的占比已经提升到了30%以上。而在过去几年,国内MCU厂商布局车规级赛道的加速,玩家在不断增加。
MCU now has increased to 30+% of Autochips, it is the #1 domestic supplier
目前,杰发科技在前装市场的主力出货仍是AC8015,主要满足轻座舱产品定位及中低阶座舱方案成本控制需求。数据显示,上半年四维图新的智舱业务收入更是同比下滑17.9%。

而全新一代智能座舱芯片AC8025,预计要到2024年实现量产。这款芯片主攻的就是中高阶智能座舱域控市场。不过,这款芯片采用的是28纳米工艺,CPU算力为60K+DMIPS,AI算力仅为1.2TOPS。

相比较而言,7nm工艺的芯擎科技龍鹰一号,则具备高达90K DMIPS的CPU算力,并具备8TOPS的AI算力。而作为杰发科技的前东家,联发科今年则是找来了英伟达,布局高端旗舰座舱SoC。
It's new gen cockpit chip actually just uses 28nm process and expecting to do 60k+DMIPS & 1.2TOPS vs SiEngine's 7nm chip. So clearly, it is going for the low cost option. 60k+DMIPS is pretty good for 28nm

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AC7870x MCU got unveiled in October. Meets AEC-Q100 grade 1 & ASIL-D requirement for auto usage. Both highest grade

Looks like it can finally be used everywhere on a car
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Look at that, top ASIL grade & AEC grade
full conformed to EVITA FULL information security code
And that's where you want to get to if you want to be used by everyone. That's how you can charge the top bucks, by meeting all the requirements
 

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Six months ago there was a run of articles about Toyota launching the bZ3 in China, built under the FAW-Toyota JV with BYD powertrain. How is this vehicle coming along?
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recent article says that more than 20,000 units have been sold to date, but this number is devoid of context. Is it a competitive vehicle within its segment? Has it been well-received by consumers?

The two large meta narratives are about Toyota's laggardly approach to EVs (with its unimpressive bZ4X offering as a recent key exhibit in that narrative), and also the increasing headwinds that Japanese and other foreign brands are facing inside China. Has bZ3 done anything to change or alternately reinforce these narratives over the past six months?
 

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Holomatics (禾多科技) claims to be the only independent ADAS tech provider to form full cooperation with a large auto group, which is GAC

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Expect Aion, Trumpchi & other GAC brand to use Holomatics. One is Hyper GT, which got unveiled with Holomatic L2 ADAS in July. Expect this to increase going forward.

Holomatics say it has other partners also.

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It's OS, as you can see it's layered between the OS, which can be linux, QNX or Posix RTOS (a lot of RT OS here)
and App layer

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And this is supporting different chips.

I mean that's the role of ADAS tech providers. Have a system that supports as many hardware as possible and works with as many automakers as possible
 

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So Huawei cars use Huawei ADS
Xpeng uses its own XNGP
NIO uses its own ADAS
Li Auto uses it own Li AD Max
BYD uses Momenta & possibly others (DJI?)
IM Motors uses Momenta

GAC group uses Holomatics

Looks like Chery uses Daas Auto
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Zeekr - Mobileye (NZP)
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FAW - Mobileye
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uses Black Sesame chips on Hongqi models
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GWM - Haomo.ai
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IT之家简单介绍一下,毫末智行的前身是长城汽车智能驾驶前瞻部。在 2019 年,毫末智行由长城汽车孵化而出,成为了独立的自动驾驶人工智能技术公司。目前长城汽车既是毫末智行的大股东,也是毫末智行的大客户。
so Haomo is born out of GWM. Makes sense GWM use Haomo then. Since GWM is said to partner with Horizon Robotics, Haomo solution will also use Journey series

Dongfeng's commercial vehicle division uses 智加科技 (Plus ai, here is their LinkedIn page
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ChangAn & DeepBlue subsidiary - to be announced this week. Unclear, but quite possibly Huawei

Neta - Unclear who provides ADAS algo, might be self developed
Uses Huawei MDC610
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for computation
uses Hesai Lidar
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Leapmotor - Looks like self developed
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There are more, but this is a pretty long list already
 

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Six months ago there was a run of articles about Toyota launching the bZ3 in China, built under the FAW-Toyota JV with BYD powertrain. How is this vehicle coming along?
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recent article says that more than 20,000 units have been sold to date, but this number is devoid of context. Is it a competitive vehicle within its segment? Has it been well-received by consumers?

The two large meta narratives are about Toyota's laggardly approach to EVs (with its unimpressive bZ4X offering as a recent key exhibit in that narrative), and also the increasing headwinds that Japanese and other foreign brands are facing inside China. Has bZ3 done anything to change or alternately reinforce these narratives over the past six months?
No, bZ3 is an absolute joke.
 
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