New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

tphuang said:

byd with Cyngn developed autonomous forklift using LFP batteries

really cool here
hope this does better than their partnership with Nuro

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tankphobia said:

Hmm, forklifts is one of the areas where I think Li based BEVs don't make much sense, the added weight savings/ energy density is not too important since the vehicle itself needs a substantial amount of counter weights

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and also the importance of safety, even if LFPs in a crash don't catch on fire, the fumes can't be good in a enclosed warehouse.

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broadsword said:

Then isn't the battery acting double-duty as a counterweight?


The exhaust fume from ICEs can't be better.

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KYli said:

So Ford is openly saying it is stealing or should we say forced technology transfer from CATL.

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Ford announced this year it will invest $3.5 billion in an electric-vehicle battery plant in Michigan, stirring political controversy by saying it’ll operate with technology and support from China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd.

US Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg addressed the challenge in a Bloomberg Television interview Sunday, saying the US must take steps to cut into China’s advantage in EV batteries and that building the refining capacity for key materials is “addressable.”


The US has to ensure it is “positioning to have an economically sensible, environmentally sensible and geopolitically stable approach to how we’re going to get these vitally important elements in our economy that are only to grow in importance,” Buttigieg said.

Ford, great-grandson of founder Henry Ford, said he sees an opportunity for Ford engineers to understand the technology.

“All we are doing is licensing the technology,” he said. “That’s really important that our engineers gain that knowledge so we can eventually do it ourselves.”

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KYli said:

So Ford is openly saying it is stealing or should we say forced technology transfer from CATL.

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Ford announced this year it will invest $3.5 billion in an electric-vehicle battery plant in Michigan, stirring political controversy by saying it’ll operate with technology and support from China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd.

US Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg addressed the challenge in a Bloomberg Television interview Sunday, saying the US must take steps to cut into China’s advantage in EV batteries and that building the refining capacity for key materials is “addressable.”


The US has to ensure it is “positioning to have an economically sensible, environmentally sensible and geopolitically stable approach to how we’re going to get these vitally important elements in our economy that are only to grow in importance,” Buttigieg said.

Ford, great-grandson of founder Henry Ford, said he sees an opportunity for Ford engineers to understand the technology.

“All we are doing is licensing the technology,” he said. “That’s really important that our engineers gain that knowledge so we can eventually do it ourselves.”

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tphuang said:

I don't see the problem. tech for market trade off is pretty common throughout the history. If CATL knows what it's doing then it should be able to keep a tech advantage.

I'm just not concerned at all by having American company licensing not the latest technology. Remember, LFP is valued for its costs, not for its high energy density.

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KYli said:

If that is the case, the Chinese government wouldn't have inquired and probed the investment and deal between CATL and Ford. It isn't so much about if the US would be able to steal the technology but more about making it too easy for the Americans to access Chinese technology when the US is restricting and limiting China accesses to the US technology or even its allies' technology in every way possible.

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