New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

henrik

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October sales numbers are out for some brands

Aion 30,063
Neta 18,016
AITO 12,018

Zeekr 10,119
Nio 10,059
Li Auto 10,052

Leapmotor 7,026
Xpeng 5,101

It looks like they are all outselling Lucid, rivian, and fisker etc.
 

henrik

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If that report was true, that would have to be a serious case of technology transfer.

Just imagine TSMC send some technical staff to its Nanjing fab to bring it up to its Hsinchu standard.

There were reports on technology transfer or theft from US media at the time Tesla decided to set up its Shanghai factory.

Facts on the ground vs MSM FUD ......
With the second tesla plant in China, there is no need for more plants elsewhere like India.
 

caudaceus

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The U.S. has lost the ability to compete with China appropriately. They have no choice except resorting to the "knee capping" tactic. Case in point: Tesla cannot even find enough tech staff in the U.S. in a pinch anymore.

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I think Chinese companies should insert themselves into the global supply chain as much as possible, NEV companies are no exception.

Sodium batteries may become so cheap, they can potentially replace lead-acid batteries in ICE vehicles in the future.
One thing that I appreciate from Musk Simp is that they even acknowledge that Giga Shanghai >> Giga Fresno. Instead of just muh slave labourrrr
 

supersnoop

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The point of US sanctioning BYD is moot.

Wan Chuan Fu built BYD into the world's most vertically integrated car company and allowed Berkshire Hathaway 10% sake for one reason: sanction proof. Just in case you don't know, BYD even builds their own IGBT devices.

Wang Chuan Fu went in a totally different direction from Ren Zhen Fe in that
(1) Ren built Huawei into a true global company. Huawei favored US companies over local ones for supply. All were good and dandy before US sanctions. Now Huawei have to turn the ship 90 degrees.
(2) Wang Chuan Fu built BYD into a vertically integrated industrial enterprise from day one.
(3) Huawei's global revenue was on par with domestic revenue before sanctions.
(4) BYD has barely started its international drive.
(5) It would be downright stupid to claim an EV is a national security threat.

That being said, let us imaging US sanctions BYD the same way as Huawei.
(1) Tesla cannot escape. Not even Xi Jinping can find any excuse not reciprocating on Tesla.
(2) Tesla market cap is 7 times that of BYD, with lots of pension funds invested.
(3) When TSLA crashes, the collateral damages would order-of-magnitude larger than any harm BYD gets.
(4) BYD is becoming the 2nd largest battery vendor and holds patents on blade battery technologies.
(5) Warren Buffet still holds around 8% of BYD.
(6) BYD is one of few foreign companies that run a successful union-base manufacturing company in US.
(7) Without BYD, US would have to buy electric buses from other foreign companies. From Yu Tong???
(8) When news breaks out in China, all US car companies would be boycotted by people. BYD becomes a darling of Chinese identity in China nowadays. Anyone who dares buy a US branded car after would be called out in the Chinese social media (人肉搜索).
(9) I could list another 800 bullet items but you are getting my point.

Whatever you think about the US politicians, the last thing they would do is to wrack S&P500 or NASDAQ, period.

US politicians are ready to dump all over NASDAQ and NYSE. Their pursuit of the Ukraine war and China trade war is a good sign of it. US government doesn't give 2 craps about EV because their alternative is just to keep making ICE cars.

One thing BYD does have is more political clout. As you mention, they have the union shop, it is never acceptable to close a union shop. Beyond that, they seem to have a lot of political connections because a lot of politicians keep talking about “potential economic benefits” of working or buying BYD. Huawei never had this support.

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India is unbelievable. Chinese companies are the only ones left willing to invest in the Indian minefield and you do your best to drive them out. Worse yet, the lower cost of Chinese machinery can provide a larger industrial base at a lower capital investment.

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A European mini EV ...... is made in China. This reminds me of 1980s when China imported or smuggled lots of PCs in SKD, CKD, white box forms.

If you caught it, MINI EV (that is the "British" one) will only be made in China starting next year.
 
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