New Chinese Military Developments

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10月29日下午，环球时报驻珠海特派记者郝珺石在航展现场偶遇前来参展的卫士-2型远程火箭炮，据外媒猜测，这种火箭炮最大射程达到了480公里，配有多种弹头，可以算得上是名副其实的“大杀器”。
　　同日，国产L-15“猎鹰”教练机在珠海机场进行了飞行训练。
　　环球时报驻珠海特派记者郝珺石在航展现场遇到前来参展的国产某型防空导弹车，这种防空导弹系统以国产4X4越野车为载体，外观和美国“复仇者”车载防空系统十分相像。
something similar to above, that it looks like WS-2 is brought here for the airshow and it has a maximum range of 480 km with many different types of warheads.

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tphuang said:

10月29日下午，环球时报驻珠海特派记者郝珺石在航展现场偶遇前来参展的卫士-2型远程火箭炮，据外媒猜测，这种火箭炮最大射程达到了480公里，配有多种弹头，可以算得上是名副其实的“大杀器”。
　　同日，国产L-15“猎鹰”教练机在珠海机场进行了飞行训练。
　　环球时报驻珠海特派记者郝珺石在航展现场遇到前来参展的国产某型防空导弹车，这种防空导弹系统以国产4X4越野车为载体，外观和美国“复仇者”车载防空系统十分相像。
something similar to above, that it looks like WS-2 is brought here for the airshow and it has a maximum range of 480 km with many different types of warheads.

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yeah i read that in the news today too. it sounds like a weapon designed almost specifically for the purpose of taking Taiwan. the question is whether or not it will enter effective service anytime soon. cuz at its maximum range the weapon does have a CEP of 600m. which would make it ineffective against even many of the stationary targets. its primary purpose should be used against the beach fortifications. but there are lots room to improve still. if i were the PLA i'd purchase maybe a small batch for trial and just familiarity. and procure this weapon on a greater scale in a few years when its accuracy improves a lil more.

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pla101prc said:

yeah i read that in the news today too. it sounds like a weapon designed almost specifically for the purpose of taking Taiwan. the question is whether or not it will enter effective service anytime soon. cuz at its maximum range the weapon does have a CEP of 600m. which would make it ineffective against even many of the stationary targets. its primary purpose should be used against the beach fortifications. but there are lots room to improve still. if i were the PLA i'd purchase maybe a small batch for trial and just familiarity. and procure this weapon on a greater scale in a few years when its accuracy improves a lil more.

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at 600 meter CEP,the accuracy was quite low, few months ago,I watch discovery channel "super weapon" MLRS fitted with GPS successfully score direct hit on 155mm howtwizer on white sand proving ground. aside from this it also direct hit against simulate trench.

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Challenge, that 600m CEP at a range of 480km. CEP usually improves as the distance gets closer. A howitzer does not have that range by far.

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Also, 600 meter CEP is still enough for harassment of air bases with submunition laden warheads. Covering the base with hundreds of little mines would slow down operations quite a bit. Especially if a new such attack is done every few hours.

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well actually ummm,i think fitting GPS on MRLS at this stage would create a bit of financial distress. and there is no point to that,its just a waste of money.
well i dont know if 600m CEP is good enough for airbase,but if that is all its good for then its as good as gone cuz DF-15 would have done the job better. the WS-2 should be able to effectively suppress or remove enemy forces on the landingsite to give the marines and amphibious mechanized divisions an easier job

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I guess we need some figures for this discussion to go on. How much does a ws-2 rocket cost? How much does a ws-2 system cost to operate? How much does a df-15 rocket cost and how much does its whole system cost to operate?

GPS guidance in itself is relatively cheap though it's possible there would be no gps signal available to the public (meaning those who arent US military) in that area of the world, in an event of war. But 600m ceps are clearly not achieved via gps, otherwise they'd be much much smaller. They're most likely achieved with just INS, probably not even the best ones out there. A good and very precise INS is likely not to be very cheap...

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600 m cep at 480 km is about 1/800 ratio, consistent with the <0.17% deviation listed for WS-2 on the sinodefence reference page, so I guess this is with INS only.

By GPS I think people mean Beidou, not the US system.

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Animation of SY-400 in action, points of interest:
1. Rockets are launched hot, vertically
2. Rockets do not follow a ballistic trajectory, they climb at a steep angle, then glide downwards
3. Submunitions are used to attack area targets, single warheads attacked point targets.
4. Very short intervals between launches, the rockets at the front can disrupt the one behind, wouldn't be a problem for short range MLRS, but cause problems for something with a range of 400km.

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I'm a bit confused why they call the SY-400 system as a rocket artillery system? They're guided and have similar range and CEP as some of their short range ballistic missile systems. Shouldn't SY-400 be classified as some kind of land attacking missile?