New Chinese Military Developments

Troika

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Re: new Chinese supertank,question....

There are parts of China that lies what consider north east asia. There is also the western part of China in Xinjiang that is considered to be in northern asia as China referred it as the northwest. China has steppes which is relatively flat stretching from inner mongolia to outer Mongolia. The steppes also stretch west into Xinjiang and then further into central northern asia.

It lies in northwest of China. That doesn't make it northern ASIA. It is not for no reason that region is commonly referred to as 'CENTRAL ASIA'. Northern Asia does not start anywhere south of the Altay range. The Chinese steppes as they were are having many hilly areas. The provinces I named are hilly. This is not taking into account the extremely heavily built up nature of many of those areas. Northern parts of Inner Mongolia is pretty good tank country, but that's about it. Any further into Chinese heartland, is not tank country at all. China is hilly! Something like 10% of Chinese territory is considered 'plains'. Of course, a lot of it is because of the large mountain ranges in Western China and elevated terrain in same, but that doesn't detract from the central problem: China is not flat.

Besides the steppes in northern China, you have got the gobi desert which is also relatively flat. The gobi desert spans from inner Mongolia to outer Mongolia. Also in Xinjiang there is also desert with little vegetations but not necessary sand dunes.

Gobi desert is a PART of the northern Chinese steppes. And what does outter Mongolia got to do with anything? And who's going to invade Xinjiang? Russia? Kazakhstan? Please. Russia is having trouble to dealing with Chechnya. I don't want to say this, but it is fantasist to think Russia has designs on China.

Even back in Soviet days, the idea of war with China was taken very seriously. Soviets know extremely well what fighting a continental-scale conflict across a hostile land would be like. ANd it's not something that's looked forwards to.

In the northern asia which is the home of the mongol horde, you have traditionally mounted horseman riding on wide open plains. There could not be any horseman riding all the way across northern asia to Europe had northern Asia not been a plain or a steppe like landscape. There can not be horseman in a mountainous and hilly region and if like you said the flat area is relatively small.

That's because they didn't. They rode WEST into CENTRAL ASIA, and SOUTH, into China. Siberia is swamps and forests. Some of it is flat, some of it isn't so flat. Very few parts of it is particularly friendly to tanks. Mainly the areas around Trans-Siberian railway.

I am thinking you are conflating different definitions of 'northern Asia' here.

If in history in a landscape, it is suitable for calvary and horsemanship then in modern time this is the land good for mobile armor machinery riding on wide open plains. There is no roads on the steppes and there needs none. The tanks will just ride on the short grass and gravel just fine.

Uh, no. Horses have different logistical requirement to tanks. They are sensitive to different temperature ranges, require pasture to graze on, and are much, much more mobile in bad terraine than tanks. Take your own Tibet. Tibetan horsemen were well-known cavalry force. But you try driving a tank army across - let's be generous - Qinghai.

Tanks don't typically ride cross-country, anyway, but instead go via rail.

There is a reason why 'tank transporters' are big part of any armoured division.

This area is the world greatest steppes and greatest open plains a lot bigger than the American plains.

When you talk make sure your eyes are wide open and not having a narrow view of things. What you say is missing a lot of stuff but just a little piece of information which is not even necessarily right.

Well, at this point, I'll say no more and let you digest what I said.
 

jackbh

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Re: new Chinese supertank,question....

Steppes is not hilly. Large part of china is flat especially in inner Mongolia and western and north western China in Xinjiang province. Even in the north east there are some flat area. And there is diffinately great plains and steppes stretching from China into central Asia and Siberia to the west.

Have you been to China especially the parts we are talking about?

China is all hilly is a misconception.

Maybe you have seen some pictures somewhere showing the great wall winding through some extremely hilly area, you think that China is hilly just like that. Maybe you have seen some pictures showing China south with some race patty and green hills and river, you think that China is just like that.
 
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King_Comm

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The topographic map is from Chinese government website, Xinjiang is not really a plain but a basin.
 

rhino123

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Why Hitler attacked The Russia and didn't attack The isle of britain.When he had such force to go to the doors of Moscow in six months why he didn't attack London.Think about it


I think Hilter did attack Britian. they just didn't managed to get in. At that time Britian is an island and defending an island is much easier, all Britian needed to do is to protect the shores and deny any entry from Germany through her beaches.

Germany could only attack England through the sea lane (I believe airforce is still not really that amazing at that time, they didn't have precision strike missiles and stuff like that, plus the English's airforce is also quite strong).

However attack Russia is made easier because Germany had a stronger Army, very good technology and caught Russia by surprise. However there is one catch here - weather. The Germans are too confident and didn't bring enough winter wear to last them long in the extreme cold Russia.
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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hitler??? when has hilter had relevance in chinese tank haha...come on guys act more serious
 

Troika

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The topographic map is from Chinese government website, Xinjiang is not really a plain but a basin.

Thank you. I grow tired of hearing his assertions over and over again, without answering my other points or bothering to pretend that this is.

Anyway, Pro is correct. This is way off topic and I apologise.

In order to redeem myself:

Jane's Defence Weekly

China reveals details of new MBT

Johnathan Wen JDW Correspondent
Beijing

China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) has released pictures of its new Type 99A2 main battle tank (MBT), a week after Japan revealed details of its new MBT, the TK-X.

China has been testing the Type 99 for up to two years. However, the new images - released in late February by the state-run Xinhua news agency - were the first glimpse of the 'enhanced' Type 99A2.

Compared with the earlier Type 99A1, the A2 features reshaped armour on the front of its turret, which now appears to be larger, as well as redesigned explosive reactive armour (ERA) at the front of the tank.

Besides the updated armour, the MBT's most significant new feature is its turret-mounted active protection system (APS). Replacing the Type 99's original laser countermeasure device, the APS is believed to incorporate a millimetre-wave radar, although its full range of capabilities remains unclear.

Internally, the Type 99A2 uses an integrated propulsion system, which includes a 1,500 hp transverse-mounted engine, transmission, cooling system and fuel tank.

Xinhua quoted the MBT's testing staff as saying that they had been fine-tuning the tank's design for five years and that it was now in testing and awaiting final approval.

It is expected that the Type 99A2 MBT will enter service in 2009 to coincide with the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China.

The supertank is out! Well, sort of.
 

King_Comm

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It doesn't sound that super, nothing revolutionary, I was expecting to see something that weighs less than 40 tonnes, armed with a 122mm rifled gun that uses smart munitions to engage targets up to 8km away that are spotted by the optronics suit mounted on top of its 3m tall foldable mast...
 

Troika

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Re: new Chinese supertank,question....

It doesn't sound that super, nothing revolutionary, I was expecting to see something that weighs less than 40 tonnes, armed with a 122mm rifled gun that uses smart munitions to engage targets up to 8km away that are spotted by the optronics suit mounted on top of its 3m tall foldable mast...

Well, I did say sort of. And no, it's obviously not all that revolutionary... and I hope you are joking when you say you are EXPECTING what you described...
 

rhino123

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Interesting. Type-99A2, if it was going to be fielded in 2009, it should already either been in very advance stage of designing and testing or was already undergoing small scale production.

I am wondering if this tank can be air-transportable? I think it is really useful if the tank could be air-mobile and transported from locations to locations to cut down on the time it would take to move from one place to another. And in today's context mobility is one of the most important aspect.
 

Troika

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Re: new Chinese supertank,question....

Interesting. Type-99A2, if it was going to be fielded in 2009, it should already either been in very advance stage of designing and testing or was already undergoing small scale production.

I am wondering if this tank can be air-transportable? I think it is really useful if the tank could be air-mobile and transported from locations to locations to cut down on the time it would take to move from one place to another. And in today's context mobility is one of the most important aspect.

I REALLY doubt it. The ZTZ-99 weighs around 54 tons, this is probably pushing 60. China doesn't have anything that can carry that much weight, let alone the actual tank.

Considering how small Chinese air transport fleet is, is moot point anyway. But world's MBTs are transported by ship or rail. Air-mobile MBTs are precisely of zero existence.
 
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