New Chinese Military Developments

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juli.mafia said:

The tanks of China (type 96,98,99) are exellent but are in poor numbers compared with the same generation MBT-s of its enemies(the U.S. alone,not mentioning them combined,N.A.T.O)the same accounts for their airforce aircrafts or navy vessels.They have suckhois,submarines and surface combattants but still in poor numbers(the latest generations)China now is using its deterrence factor as a mean of defence.That translates like this:"if you attack me you will bleed like hell,and will be seriously hurt even if you win"With this numbers or quantities (of the latest generation of military hardware)the ability of China's regular armed forces to resist in prolonged major combat operations is seriosly in doubt.Now you will say"we are nuclear"I can say "you can put your nuclear in .....cause america and russia are developing anti ballistic missiles(defenses)and all analists say that nuclear ballistic weapons will be obsolete by the half of the 21-st century(search about H.A.A.R.P)But there is another scenario.What if some diversive group inside the main superpowers is interested in destroing the respective peoples and dont worry about the human cost.You should know that both armies of Russia and America are capable of operating even after an atomic holocaust has commenced.They have developed these capabilities to survive in such enviromnents.So what you gonna do with your nukes then.The development of necessary hardware quality and quantity remains crucial and very important.

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ANd in the mean time, let's plan for an alien invasion too!

Because that's only slightly less plausible.

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The uparmored ZTZ-99A2 (if that thing is for real) will be enough (probably more than) to deal with pretty any armored threat the PLA could reasonably face. Though it still needs a bustle mounted autoloader and enhanced crew survivability features.

The only way China would deploy a supertank is if other nations started to do so, otherwise there's no motivation for them to do so.

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Skywatcher said:

The only way China would deploy a supertank is if other nations started to do so, otherwise there's no motivation for them to do so.

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Good point. It shouldn't be called a supertank, but next-generation or 4th-generation main battle tank. If you group the Type 99 or Type 96 with the M1 Abrams, German Leopard, T-90 and Japan's Type 90 generation of MBTs, then a new generation PLA tank could well be under development. Russia already is developing the next generation tank, the T-95, and the United States is developing the Mounted Combat System as part of the Future Combat System program. Japan and Korea also recently revealed their next generation tanks. Even though no information regarding larger guns is availabe about the new tanks, it does seem digitization and a focus on information warfare are more important, as seen with Japan's new Type 10 tank. Also, China might be taking its time in the development of the next generation battle tank, instead focusing on upgrading the Type 96 and Type 99. In the PLA, the navy and airforce are given higher priority, so it might be many years before a new tank is revealed.

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Troika said:

Northern China has a smallish plain area, the rest is extremely hilly and/ or builtup. Manchuria slightly bigger. Neither of which is in 'Northern Asia' anyway, that lies in RUSSIA.

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This really just shows you have no clues as to what China geography is like or the rest of Asia for that matter.

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There might be a good export market for 'supertanks/4th gen tanks' in the Mideast, since each nation there always insists on having the biggest and shiniest toy on the block.

I wouldn't mind seeing a 140/152mm armed Chinese MBT myself. Would make the Pentagon finally get around to ordering a replacement for the M1 Abrams and junking that FCS crap.

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jackbh said:

This really just shows you have no clues as to what China geography is like or the rest of Asia for that matter.

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:rofl: Keep talking, it will show your ignorance all the faster.

In any definition of common accepted grography, China lies in EAST Asia. Central Asia is the bit adjunting from Chinese Xinjiang and extending into former Soviet Central Asia... now this is the 64 million dollar question... given the location of 'central' and 'east'... WHERE is North?

As for Chinese geography... I think the Chinese will find it very interesting that you think Northern China is flat. Take a look at Shanxi and Shaanxi provinces. Northern part of Hebei province. Northern Chinese Plain is criss-crossed with a series of MOUNTAIN RANGES. Where do you think the Great Wall was built on? Flat ground?

Frankly, your off-hand insults completely fails to impress. Next time, try to provide arguement... if that's not too much trouble.

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Re: new Chinese supertank,question....

Troika said:

ANd in the mean time, let's plan for an alien invasion too!

Because that's only slightly less plausible.

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the existence of the alien's animosity toward China hasn't been proved yet.The animosity of the west against China has been proved many times(the arms embargo,the state department reports,the defense senate comitee annual report on China,the N.A.T.O. plans for Asia a.k.a. pakistan-afghanistan invasion,bases in the philippinnes etc etc)Do you know what is the real purpose of the anti ballistic missile deployment in poland and Chek republicrotecting europe against China missiles,cause the Russian I.C.B.M. are capble of deploying ten to 15 warheads simultanosly wich makes them impossible to intercept(at least for another 25 years according to N.A.T.O. experts.Its when you don't expect your enemy to attack that he decides to do so.Stalin didn'ty believe that Hitler was so crazy to attack him cause din't also Know that the world war two was commenced by U.K. and U.S.A. top destroy U.S.S.R. economy.Why Hitler attacked The Russia and didn't attack The isle of britain.When he had such force to go to the doors of Moscow in six months why he didn't attack London.Think about it

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read the article below to see what an airforce can do if it's left totally undisturbed(this is american advantage and principal factor of its military might and successes):

Airpower: A-10s deter enemy activities
US Air Force | Mar 6, 2008

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SOUTHWEST ASIA: Coalition airpower integrated with coalition ground forces in Iraq and the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan during operations March 3, according to Combined Air and Space Operations Center officials here.

In Afghanistan, an Air Force MQ-9A Reaper fired hellfire missiles in order to destroy enemy combatants in Garmser. The on-scene joint terminal attack controller confirmed that the mission was successful.

An Air Force B-1B Lancer and A-10 Thunderbolt IIs dropped guided bomb unit-12s, 31s, and 38s in order to destroy enemy combatants and enemy firing positions in Now Zad. The JTAC reported that the missions were successful.

In order to deter enemy activities A-10s performed shows of force in Lwara and Khowst. The missions were declared successful by the JTAC.

In Bermel, an Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle performed a show of force in order to deter enemy activities. The JTAC confirmed that the mission was successful.

In Musa Qala, a Royal Air Force GR-9 performed a show of force in order to deter enemy activities. The JTAC reported the mission a success.


An A-10 Thunderbolt II, like this one, is among the various U.S. Central Command Air Forces air assets available for providing close-air support for International Security Assistance Force troops in contact with enemy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. The A-10 is specially designed for close-air support of ground forces and can be used against all ground targets, including tanks and other armored vehicles. (U.S. Air Force photo/Capt. Justin T. Watson)
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In total, 46 close-air-support missions were flown as part of the ISAF and Afghan security forces, reconstruction activities and route patrols.

Seven Air Force intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft flew missions as part of operations in Afghanistan. Additionally, two RAF aircraft performed tactical reconnaissance.

In Iraq, Navy F/A-18 Super Hornets dropped a GBU-12 and 38s in order to destroy enemy rocket positions in Basrah. The missions were declared successful by the JTAC.

In Basrah, an Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon performed a show of force in order to deter enemy activities. The JTAC confirmed that the mission was successful.

In total, coalition aircraft flew 43 close-air-support missions for Operation Iraqi Freedom. These missions integrated and synchronized coalition ground forces, protected key infrastructure, provided overwatch for reconstruction activities and helped to deter and disrupt terrorist activities.

Twenty-six Air Force, Navy, Royal Australian Air Force intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft flew missions as part of operations in Iraq. Additionally, six Navy and RAF aircraft performed tactical reconnaissance.

Air Force C-130 Hercules aircraft and C-17 Globemaster IIIs provided intra-theater heavy airlift, helping to sustain operations throughout Afghanistan, Iraq and the Horn of Africa.

Approximately 125 airlift sorties were flown, 586 tons of cargo delivered, and 2,930 passengers were transported. This included approximately 48,000 pounds of troop re-supply air-dropped in Afghanistan.

Coalition C-130 crews from Australia, Canada, Iraq, and Japan flew as part of operations in Afghanistan or Iraq.

On March 2, Air Force and RAF tanker crews flew 46 sorties and off-loaded approximately 3 million pounds of fuel to 273 receiving aircraft.

Re: new Chinese supertank,question....

Troika said:

:rofl: Keep talking, it will show your ignorance all the faster.

In any definition of common accepted grography, China lies in EAST Asia. Central Asia is the bit adjunting from Chinese Xinjiang and extending into former Soviet Central Asia... now this is the 64 million dollar question... given the location of 'central' and 'east'... WHERE is North?

As for Chinese geography... I think the Chinese will find it very interesting that you think Northern China is flat. Take a look at Shanxi and Shaanxi provinces. Northern part of Hebei province. Northern Chinese Plain is criss-crossed with a series of MOUNTAIN RANGES. Where do you think the Great Wall was built on? Flat ground?

Frankly, your off-hand insults completely fails to impress. Next time, try to provide arguement... if that's not too much trouble.

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There are parts of China that lies what consider north east asia. There is also the western part of China in Xinjiang that is considered to be in northern asia as China referred it as the northwest. China has steppes which is relatively flat stretching from inner mongolia to outer Mongolia. The steppes also stretch west into Xinjiang and then further into central northern asia.

Besides the steppes in northern China, you have got the gobi desert which is also relatively flat. The gobi desert spans from inner Mongolia to outer Mongolia. Also in Xinjiang there is also desert with little vegetations but not necessary sand dunes.

In the northern asia which is the home of the mongol horde, you have traditionally mounted horseman riding on wide open plains. There could not be any horseman riding all the way across northern asia to Europe had northern Asia not been a plain or a steppe like landscape. There can not be horseman in a mountainous and hilly region and if like you said the flat area is relatively small.

If in history in a landscape, it is suitable for calvary and horsemanship then in modern time this is the land good for mobile armor machinery riding on wide open plains. There is no roads on the steppes and there needs none. The tanks will just ride on the short grass and gravel just fine.

This area is the world greatest steppes and greatest open plains a lot bigger than the American plains.

When you talk make sure your eyes are wide open and not having a narrow view of things. What you say is missing a lot of stuff but just a little piece of information which is not even necessarily right.