Yes, there was quite a few close calls that could have unleashed hell on earth. However, no one does launch on impact, it's stupid thing to do under counterforce attack. basically it's judgement call every time.
Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics
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Yes, there was quite a few close calls that could have unleashed hell on earth. However, no one does launch on impact, it's stupid thing to do under counterforce attack. basically it's judgement call every time.
China has a working ASBM deploy and is comfirmed by U.S. Army Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, the Defense Intelligence Agency director.
As opposed by many forum members who demand to see working ASBM live test to prove it works. I am sure the Defense Intelligence Agency director had already first hand witness the live test of ASBM by 2nd artillery(of cos, it classify and not for laymen to see it)reported by its intelligence forces conducted on a targeting ship which makes him give out such remark.
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entire report mention df21 once. its not even a report indicate df21d is working. this is similar to many reports i witness for the pass deacade, where media take a ONE word from 100pgs report, twisting it and then make a huge deal out of it.
this is silimar if someone said china gonna purchase su35 base on a 100pg russia report that mention su35/china once.
this report is what you call lack evidences or detail on the subject regarding df21.
btw if df21 is really working and its deadly as it claim to be, why everyone still building AC
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You don't need to see a working example of something to begin to take steps to counter it. Need an example? The USA knew of the Mig-25 and thought it was super maneouvrable due to its large wings, the US didn't need a demonstration of its supposed maneouvrability to begin a new fighter program. Having an immediate need of something doesn't equate to "seen in action", it simply means the US BELIEVES the DF-21D to be a credible threat, doesn't confirm anything.
Your example is bad. Because it happens in time when satelite spying is still very bad and that is in the 70s. Now we are in 2013, to try decept US by doing a few bad example of non working abilities is a foolish move. And your example is about a fighter. You don't know the fighter can pull 7G or 9G with satelite spying? You can only comfired its existed. But the ASBM, its either you hit it or don't on sea to prove it works.
Example? In 2007, China try to hide its successful ASAT test from the World including US but US intelligence managed to track everything from launch and until its successful final impact of perfect collision with the intended satelite. It is US intelligence who alert the US president and he is the one who make the shocking relevation that China successfully conducted the test. Second only to US. This demonstrated a complicated and wide mission including reaching outerspace is not able to hide from US intelligence agences. It has to be working to make them believe the threat is real.
Now this is the same intelligence department who make the relevation China has a working ASBM and is deploy faster than they expected and is facing the Taiwan direction. I think its rather you who can't accept China has a working ASBM that can threaten US Carrier. The fact, US suggest they need to deploy something similiar of ASBM to emulate its trajectory and counter it tells us how real the threat is.
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China does not intend to hide the ASAT test in 2007, if anything China is trying to get the most attention from the incident by making the satellite breaking into thousands of pieces. (Actually from the looks it might be space denial, since that orbit is effectively blocked to any other satellites.)
China's 2010 BMD test and satellite touch are things that China appears to hide
China does not intend to hide the ASAT test in 2007, if anything China is trying to get the most attention from the incident by making the satellite breaking into thousands of pieces. (Actually from the looks it might be space denial, since that orbit is effectively blocked to any other satellites.)
China's 2010 BMD test and satellite touch are things that China appears to hide
China does not even utter a single word of ASAT thing before the test. It is through US relevation such capabilities of China is known..
Even when ask upon Chairman Hu Jintao by US. The Chiarman initially refused to acknowledge such test. It is after concrete proof present upon. Did the Chinese side admit it.
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Lion, have you ever heard of the term, "Wheels within wheels?"
Both sides are playing brinkmanship here and putting out disinformation.
You see what you want to see...and that is fine. However, a live fire test out over the Pacific against a manuevering vessel is not something that can be hidden...any more than any ballistic missile test out over the ocean can be. And believe me, had it happened, we would know it.
But it has not...because there has been no such test.
That does not mean that have not and will not deploy it as we have discussed many times...it just means that its ability to perform its function is significantly brought into question and opens up the possibility that the opration is a false flag meant to get an opponent to fear using or deploying their own assets. It is not an uncommon strategy.
Like I said, such a test will be obvious when it occurs...and will be announced. No such pronouncement or test of the DF-21D out over the ocean has occurred.
What the heck does all that have to do with the DF-21D? The Mig-25 was spotted and the US initiated the 4th gen fighter program. The Soviets didn't need to demonstrate its capability to get the West concerned. Same with the DF-21D, as long as the US knows it exists, they will be concerned. China doesn't need to demonstrate the DF-21D's capability to get the US concerned.
Ask the US back in the 70s why they needed the 4th gen fighter programs and they will say "because the USSR has got a new plane", ask them have they seen the plane's capabilities and they will say "no". Ask the US today why they need counter-measures to the DF-21D and they will say "China has a new missile", ask them have they seen the missile's capabilities and they will also say "no". Even if China has not done testing of the missile against moving targets, the US will still try to find methods to counter its supposed capabilities.
I know such test cannot be hidden but US intelligence is not oblige to tell us,laymen every single detail since , Jeff, I do not know you owned any single spy satelite in outerspace.
The fact US intelligence make such comment and its urgency tells us they have witness something strong enough to convince them ASBM is real and they need to do something about it.
I can perfectly understand your refusal to admit ASBM works and is a threat.
Imagine a US battle fleet which cost 20-30billions is not able to protect their main CVBG. The worst to come is the opponent probably spend only 20-30millions dollars of dozen of Ballistic missile to get the job done which is just a tiny fraction of money compare to US fleet cost. It is a hard fact difficult to swallow.