Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

solarz said:

F = ma.

The smaller the mass, the less force you need to move (accelerate) it. With multiple reentry vehicles, you can set up a pattern that covers all the possible evasive maneuvers the carrier can attempt.

A previous poster touched on a good point. The real question is, how many AShBMs can China afford to use against one US CVBG, and still come out ahead resource-wise. I suspect that number is pretty high.

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Some one did calculation on the cost and benefit of Carrier vs Missile and his name is captain Jimmy Hendrix Phd one of the brilliant US navy analyst and here is his conclusion


Assuming the conservative, high-end estimate of $11 million per missile gives
an exchange ratio of $11 million to $13.5 billion, which means that China could build 1,227 DF-21Ds for every carrier the United States builds

Going forward. U.S. defenses would have to destroy every missile fired, a tough problem given the magazines of U.S. cruisers and destroyers, while China would need only one of its weapons to survive to effect a mission kill

Now where are those people who said ASBM is nothing but political ploy to fend off the West from western pacific

Hendrik_2000 said:

Some one did calculation on the cost and benefit of Carrier vs Missile and his name is captain Jimmy Hendrix Phd one of the brilliant US navy analyst and here is his conclusion

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Assuming the conservative, high-end estimate of $11 million per missile gives
an exchange ratio of $11 million to $13.5 billion, which means that China could build 1,227 DF-21Ds for every carrier the United States builds

Going forward. U.S. defenses would have to destroy every missile fired, a tough problem given the magazines of U.S. cruisers and destroyers, while China would need only one of its weapons to survive to effect a mission kill

Now where are those people who said ASBM is nothing but political ploy to fend off the West from western pacific

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Well to be fair, you also need to factor in the military budget of each country.

The US military budget is 700 billion, while that of China's is 140 billion. The US can thus afford to spend 5 times as much as China (assuming current state of affairs), which means, in order to achieve parity, it would be something like 240 DF-21Ds for every US carrier.

Nevertheless, I suspect that China can afford to unleash a missile barrage against not only the carrier, but the entire CVBG as well. Furthermore, this calculation does not include the human costs. The US would be risking the lives of thousands of sailors, while China would be risking the life of a few scout vehicles.

Launching a conventional ballistic missile at any branch of the US military is the stupidest thing you can do. If China manages to destroy a CBG, be it with ordinary AShM or the DF-21D, prepare for some nukes heading towards every naval harbor China has.

How can you differentiate between a conventional and nuclear equipped BM?

andyhugfan said:

Launching a conventional ballistic missile at any branch of the US military is the stupidest thing you can do. If China manages to destroy a CBG, be it with ordinary AShM or the DF-21D, prepare for some nukes heading towards every naval harbor China has.

How can you differentiate between a conventional and nuclear equipped BM?

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Oh... maybe by the fact that there's no nuclear explosion?

Or are you suggesting that the US will be launching nukes at China the moment China launches some ballistic missile?

If that's the case, then the US would be pretty crazy to start a war with China, considering that they're not the only ones with a nuclear arsenal.

solarz said:

Oh... maybe by the fact that there's no nuclear explosion?

Or are you suggesting that the US will be launching nukes at China the moment China launches some ballistic missile?

If that's the case, then the US would be pretty crazy to start a war with China, considering that they're not the only ones with a nuclear arsenal.

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Isn't the us nuclear deterrence capable of launching ICBM's even before the enemy BM enters atmosphere? A mach 8+ BM entering the atmosphere targeting a carrier or something else will be seen as a nuclear equipped one because of the missile characteristic. And the US doe not know 'only-defensive-deployment-of-nuclear-deterrence' like the Indians do.

andyhugfan said:

Isn't the us nuclear deterrence capable of launching ICBM's even before the enemy BM enters atmosphere? A mach 8+ BM entering the atmosphere targeting a carrier or something else will be seen as a nuclear equipped one because of the missile characteristic. And the US doe not know 'only-defensive-deployment-of-nuclear-deterrence' like the Indians do.

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So what?

Do you honestly think that a threat of nuclear response to the launching of AShBMs is going to deter China from using it to defend themselves?

andyhugfan said:

Launching a conventional ballistic missile at any branch of the US military is the stupidest thing you can do. If China manages to destroy a CBG, be it with ordinary AShM or the DF-21D, prepare for some nukes heading towards every naval harbor China has.

How can you differentiate between a conventional and nuclear equipped BM?

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That might be part of China's strategy in deploying an anti-ship ballistic missile. It changes the strategic calculation that unless the US is ready for risk of quick escalation to nuclear war, don't even bother intervening in the first place.

solarz said:

So what?

Do you honestly think that a threat of nuclear response to the launching of AShBMs is going to deter China from using it to defend themselves?

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More reason to abandon minimum deterrence, it work for the strategic environment China was in, but now the world is changing.

In this case, China can only launch DF-21 missiles for surface attack. Anything more than that will risk a nuclear miscalculations.

Lion said:

In this case, China can only launch DF-21 missiles for surface attack. Anything more than that will risk a nuclear miscalculations.

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Everyone does launch on impact. Otherwise you'd have to go on alert every time someone launched a space rocket, and that would not be could for unit cohesion after a while, if nothing else.