Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

NikeX

Banned Idiot
Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

@AreoEngineer: Bring your lunch because you will be waiting a long time to see a Chinese B2
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

@AreoEngineer: Bring your lunch because you will be waiting a long time to see a Chinese B2

Bring your dinner because it will be awhile before you see a US version of the DF-21D ASBM.:p
 

Jeff Head

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Registered Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

Bring your dinner because it will be awhile before you see a US version of the DF-21D ASBM.:p
Hehehe...we haven't seen the Chinese version of it yet either. No full up, live fire system test.

We may all be waiting on each other. LOL!
 

peperez

New Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Does China actually have any satellites in orbit?

A lot of them! With Brazil, they built three and we learn a lot with Chinese scientists. They also had made communications and reconnaissance satelites of their own and are investing in a GPS alike system. By the way, all launched by Long March rockets.

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I'm not much of an expert, but air warfare of manned fighter aircrafts seems to be limited to sorties against determined targets or patrols against possible dangers. If one combatant has a better system to activate his manned air power for strikes while the other must fly more patrols in order to know what's going on then even an outnumbered force of aircrafts can overwhelm a numerically superior enemy piecemeal.
That's a simplification to show my point that not numbers but effficiency of deployment count. The aforementioned smoke would be one of the methods an outnumbered US force would use to fight numerical Chinese forces. Especially aircraft carriers have a high sortie rate, can switch location and while not easy to spot, can have enough fakes around to make the depoyment of a strike system against carriers really dangerous (not counting the missiles, but the whole targeting complex).

It's my opinion that in modern warfare it's easier to fake an appearance and military supremacy is much dependant on the ability to fake and to see through these disguises. I'm not sure China has the same benchmark as the US and her allies in that field (altogether over 1 billion people) with lots of technically experienced people who had a lifetime on information technology jobs and can easily work from home in our interconnected world.
As a result I would step up US sensor capability in order to optimize resource deployment against an enemy with plenty of stuff locally available.

The other revolution in aerial affairs is permanence and availability. Strike and intelligence gathering drones are accessable on increasingly lower military unit level in staggering numbers with few countries other than the US having much knowledge about that same degree of deployment.
The increased aerial availability of unmanned platforms in my opinion is a force multiplier for the manned platforms due to increased damocles strike and surveillance capability. China may have reached some supremacy on the old playing field, but the US is rewriting the rules.

Having all new ships capable of launching UAV is of major importance for the new carriers that are far from dated with this new approach.

The F117 case was supposedly pulled off with HUMINT from a spy (a French general got blamed) and still seems to have been a rather difficult affair. I heard rumours that in some cases similar traps were set by the North Vietnamese against stealth aircrafts that have the characteristic of predictable directional reflection in a certain angle.

The whole debate about the F35 is about an idea that has ever since the F-104 starfighter been central to the American idea of a warplane. Small wings and high thrust with lots of gimmicks on board. It's possible that the F 35 will mature with improved thrust vectoring into an outstanding aircraft that even benefits from the small wingplane by increased capability to go unpredictable under less restrictions of airflow than other designs. Finally small things like the Libelle g-suit that works much faster than conventional designs and allows slightly higher g-forces will have a major impact on the capabilities a pilot has with his aircraft (imagine everyone becoming a g-monster). As far as I know the Libelle technology is not available to China and they have nothing equivalent.

Incredible how you refuse to learn from reality. The F-117 fly all days at the same route at the same hour. You invited the Yugoslavs to shoot it down! Yugoslavs didn't need a inside looker. They have plenty of people monitoring NATO's bases and the communications with Belgrade were by common cell phones calls. It's easy accuse an ally when you mess up with autoconfidence. By the way, you just win the war because you decide to attack strategic targets inside Servia, like dams and bridges. At Kosovo, NATO's performance is abysmal with 12 tanks and 30 lorries destroyed...

Pepe
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

By the way, you just win the war because you decide to attack strategic targets inside Servia, like dams and bridges

exactly.. war is not fair. NATO wins..

At Kosovo, NATO's performance is abysmal with 12 tanks and 30 lorries destroyed...

Huh? What is a lorrie?

By the way this thread is off topic..
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Thank's delft.. I have heard that before, I just forgot.. In other words a large truck..
 

peperez

New Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

exactly.. war is not fair. NATO wins..

Including destroying an Hospital and the Chineses Embassy at the process, what is not fair. The true is that NATO failed terribly at the task of destroying Serbian army. Going to the topic, some USAF officers, talking with Brazilian Air Force officers, said that the life expectative of a US Navy carrier in a total war would be around six hours...

Cheers

Pepe

I would like to share this Discovery video on a US aircraft carrier entitled "One US Aircraft Carrier has a more powerful Airforce than 70% of all countries" I believe PLA-AF is excluded from the 70%. See it at //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_C._Stennis. What a modern Carrier with fantastic Air Power derived from various different aircraft.

This is true, but don't forget that submarines can easily penetrate a task force. In one US Navy exercise an American submarine shoot six torpedoes at an aircraft carrier. The submariners piss off when the exercise commanders decided that the aircraft carrier loose only 20% of its capability and, 24 hours later, could operate at full charge. Cooperating with US Navy, one of ours submarine, the Tupi, penetrate the Task Force and take very interesting pictures of the aircraft carrier at a close range... After that, US Navy contracted Swedish Navy to use one of its submarine to exercise American forces against conventional submarines.

Cheers

Pepe
 
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Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

Great...there getting a lot of time at Sea with her which is exactly what they need to do.

Working all the bugs out and getting on with the training.

Perhaps this time, if they are out two weeks, they will start a few air ops quals.

We'll see...or not, depending on the PLAN and who may catch them from an aircraft or satellite.
 
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