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xypher

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Actually I don't think the scene where the elderly sacrifice themselves is cringy. It is actually quite meaningful. The problem is the odd decisions by certain protagonists, sabotaging the mission because they got too emotional. The biggest problem I have with Wandering Earth is the concept of moving the entire planet itself to escape the Sun. If this was a Star Wars fictional universe, then fine, do it. But this was supposed to be a universe in our near future, with an actual PRC in it. The Chinese writers wanted to do a hard sci-fi movie, but using Star Wars fictional science. This for me, is difficult to take seriously. It does not respect hard science and the laws of the universe. Hence this movie for me, becomes another CGI spectacle like Guardians of the Galaxy. There is so much potential in Chinese sci-fi films, but the current crop of writers and directors are just not there yet.
I don't know about the movie but the book was good. There are many Western sci-fi movies that are set in "real" universe, I don't see the issue there. Plus a lot of things do make sense from a physical point of view in the book, the main contention I have is that building such drives would most likely require almost fully exhausting Earth's reserves and is incredibly complex from the engineering standpoint if we use the current engines as a reference point but it is a science FICTION work after all. The main conflict between Takers and Leavers is written very well in the book imo, plus it is explored from both the ideological (both sides make sense and tbh IRL I would also probably side with the "antagonist" Leavers) AND individual levels (protagonist and his Japanese wife who end up on the opposing sides).

Most issues I have with some Chinese movies is the tendency of actors to overact in some emotion-heavy moments which makes it look cringe. Other than that, special effects in recent Chinese movies are a notable step up from the previous gen and many praise TWE for being visually pleasing.
 

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FairAndUnbiased

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Again... It's a propaganda weakness inherent to authoritarianism.

Young people rebelling against the establishment and embracing the idea of democracy is an age old story. It is the perfect demographic for Western influence campaigns to target because it fits the psychological profile so well. Young people every where resent the fact that they lack political power, believe they know more than everybody else, and yearn to be free of all authority. These facts make them very susceptible to the promises of liberal democracy, because liberalism is all about empowering the individual, rebelling against authority, and pursuing freedom above all else.

It's not until people get into their thirties and forties that they realize the world doesn't work that way; and that the "freedom" offered by the West is nothing more than a different form of enslavement. When the thrill of protesting on the streets and throwing rocks at the police wears off, they will realize no, you can't survive off of pride parades and smoking weed and "revolution in our time." That there are objective power dynamics at play, which Western media actively attempts to hide in an effort to fool people into acting against their own interests.

Unfortunately, young people must be taught the hard way about these lessons; and the failure of their societies is the price they must pay. Look at the Arab Spring - that was an attempt by the West to rally the Muslim youth to the cause of liberal democracy. It brought little more than chaos across the Arab world, didn't move them up in the world what so ever, and failed in pretty much all of its goals.

The same will repeat, else where. Liberal democracy doesn't bring freedom to countries - it makes them vassals to the West. Look at the Koreans and their president's shameful display in Washington; or the Japanese and their commercial interests getting wrecked by US sanctions. Look at the pathetic birth rates across East Asia, and the South American countries run by drug lords. But democracy is a hell of a drug - by the time their young people wake up to the state of their societies, it'll be too late. The worst is yet to come.
I disagree and there's historical proof: can US get something like 5-4 movement, Cultural Revolution or Vietnam War going? All those were driven by youth who are quite different than the LGBT BBQ crowd.

Chinese and Vietnamese youth were willing and able to kill for their ideals of socialism and the words of Mao/Ho. Liberalism doesn't even come close, it is just "vote harder".
 

kwaigonegin

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Funny how I still recall some months ago - That a few here in this forum claimed that "soft power is of absolutely no use in the geopolitical fight between superpowers".

The thing is - Not a lot of people outside of the military circle talk about military stuff everyday. But there are fvck tons of people everywhere who talking movies, dramas, songs and games. Every. Single. Day.


I believe I need to knock this sentence onto this forum wall for everyone here to actually make sense and understand.

While China is now equipped with the capability to militarily go toe-to-toe with the US in her own front yard (i.e. WestPac), yet China is nowhere near the US when it comes to soft power influence and control projection.

Besides, soft power isn't just about building bridges, schools, airports and hospitals. It is about connecting, managing, and even controlling the minds & hearts of the targeted audience & population.

Just this one simple question is enough: "How often do Chinese people talk about American movies? Meanwhile, how often do American people talk about Chinese movies?"

TL;DR - China needs to do A WHOLE LOT MORE if she intends to stand toe-to-toe with the US (and her allies with far-reaching soft power prowess, i.e. South Korea and Japan) in the soft power battlefield.
Of course. Soft power is akin to PR/Marketing. I've already made a post about this. I can walk down most major streets in Bangkok, HCM, Kuala Lumpur Seoul, Manila etc and see countless Starbucks, McDs, KFCs, Apple etc.
While these are not political machines, they do in fact sell the 'America' brand abroad even on the subconcious level. Most folks in this world use Google, Safari, Edge, Windows, Android on a daily basis etc.
How many people use Baidu outside of PRC? And I, like billions others I'm sure wouldn't know of the name of any OS from PRC.
Perception is everything.
 

Eventine

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I disagree and there's historical proof: can US get something like 5-4 movement, Cultural Revolution or Vietnam War going? All those were driven by youth who are quite different than the LGBT BBQ crowd.

Chinese and Vietnamese youth were willing and able to kill for their ideals of socialism and the words of Mao/Ho. Liberalism doesn't even come close, it is just "vote harder".
The US wasn’t liberal 60 years ago. Liberalism is a more recent development due to the US losing the initial ideological Cold War to the USSR. Liberalism was basically born during the Civil Rights movement, before then it was a rather blatant form of white supremacism and that was not attractive to anyone outside the West, hence the popularity of Communism through most of the fifties and sixties.
 

eprash

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This is possibly the worst place to do so but I have to put this in writing for later:



You mean the fact that it was written by a jingoistic pseudointellectual masturbator Liu Cixin?

When I look back at the previous decade in SFF I have to say that The Three Body Problem was the single dumbest and most pseudointellectual piece of literature I've read and it only went worse in the latter novels. I will never touch anything else he writes without hazmat suit on. And in that sense I find it fitting that it got a Hugo right between between the fetishistic asshat Scalzi and rabid drivel-spewing demented wokester Jemisin. Hazmat suits apply as well.

While TBP was tremendously engaging on a cultural level I found it positively insulting as a sci-fi enthusiast. It was the equivalent of writing an entire novel about furry porn while exessively quoting genderqueer theory. And thats mostly because his "sci-fi" is in reality a convoluted pseudointellectual metaphor for his political drivel and blatant personal issues. It is "sci-fi" not sci-fi.

There are two types of authors:
  • those who seek understanding and use story as a laboratory - primarily obsessive
  • those who claim understanding and use story as a sermon - primarily narcissistic
I was brought up on so called "golden age" of sci-fi. Specifically being Polish that was Stanislaw Lem, possibly world's most underrated sci-fi author in all of history. If you think he's not underrated it's pretty obvious you haven't read him and lack understanding of the time at which it was written. He's likely the best cultural thing that ever came out of my country and most people ignore it because it's too smart for them. The only other person that in my view has similar "science-fiction" potential is Clarke. Asimov is prolific but too derivative of existing ideas. The others don't even register except as authors of individual works with potential. But they are not consistent.

These people were the first type of author. Explorers.

Liu Cixin is the second type, as are all contemporary "woke" SFF writers in the west. The difference is that their fetishistic obsession lies elsewhere. While western wokesters masturbate to furry porn in space Liu Cixin masturbates to Chinese spaceships and people confuse that for sci-fi.

Nope. The entirety of Remembrance trilogy was Liu proclaiming "look how smart and wise I am" when in reality he's an obnoxious retard. My entire experience of reading the novels was "wait.. he didn't mean it seriously... oh... he can't be this f*** dumb". But he did and he was. It was frustrating. The only thing good about it was that it was Chinese i.e. original to me as a western reader.

Want good sci-fi? Pick someone intelligent to write it. With 1+ billion people it shouldn't be too hard.

This was a rant. Now here's a philosophical remark I wanted to save for later.



And never will be.

See the "science fiction" that you refer to is something very specific in terms of cultural evolution. It's a product of a very peculiar type of culture that I would call culture of paradigm shift. The paradigm shifts are natural occurrences and cause transformations of the entire society and the way it perceives reality around itself. They can be cultural, political and technological. You may recognize that from the period of early internet however... that paradigm shift was too quick to establish a lasting culture that is it came and went and we see the period of transition as a fuzzy period of what came before and after the change. We see the periods of cultural stability in clear terms but the period of change as a chaotic and confusing time.

In evolutionary theory it's called punctuated equilibrium and it's a natural dynamic that underpins all of life and broader evolutionary change.

Science fiction is a product of people for whom that paradigm shift wasn't a period in their lives but rather constituted the entirety of their understanding of the world. And as far as science fiction goes that was only possible during the industrial revolution.

Now here's the thing. Only "the west" has undergone the industrial revolution. Other cultures like China have only undergone industrial revolution i.e. industrialization. China hasn't invented the scientific method and the scientific-industrial paradigm and the industry and the socio-political movements associated with it and most importantly those changes haven't affected the entirety of society.

That process is happening now after all of it has been already invented. The consequence of that is that the way that the average Chinese person perceives the change that is occurring right now is more efficiently expressed in the metahporical language of mythology or "fantasy".

Art is two things at the same time: a meta-language and a method of coping for cultures experiencing trauma. Art conveys knowledge that emerges sub-consciously from a society and there are two types of knowledge:
  • transformative knowledge i.e. the knowledge of the change - causes and outcomes, successess and failures and mental states associated with them
  • evolved or adopted knowledge i.e. the knowledge of successful solution without the mental state that brought it about.
Specifically religions are evolved knowledge while science is transformative knowledge. However science can be misunderstood as religion and regularly is.

For China and Russia/Soviet Union industrialization was like adoption of new religion which is also why they both experienced periods of violent upheaval and societal disaster: Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Stalinist Collectivization etc. Those are usually associated with religious revolutions i.e. impositions of evolved knowledge without adaptation. In Europe/West we had the adaptation so all the upheavals and societal disasters were spread along the period of adaptation. In fact France had the revolution precisely because in political terms it was the most backward society of all major cultures.

Western sci-fi authors were born in the period of change that had human speed. Their parents lived in periods of such change as often did their grandparents. Their children and grandchildren would also live in it (in their view of reality) so they came up with ideas that formed science fiction. Science fiction begins in 19th century and ends in 20th century. The entire preceding century was the setup. What came before and after was mythology because mythology is the default mode of culture.

So let's generalize: Science fiction is a type of fantasy with science as religion and technology as magic.

Science fiction is uniquely western because only western societies had to cope culturally with industrial and scientific revolutions. Everyone else adopted ready solutions and that usually leads to a culture that looks more like mythological tale of magic rather than sci-fi.
  • West did "how the hell do I make a magic sword so it doesn't become cursed somehow".
  • China does "here's a magic sword, but beware of this curse, off you go on your quest".
In the west we are already moving toward the mythological. Star Wars is that. Star Trek was the last twitch of "real" sci-fi and look where it ended. Consider that 2001 Space Oddyssey was made in 1968. Then came a brief wave of cyberpunk and even that is gone swallowed by Japanese nonsense.

And what's Japanese cultural creations? Kaiju and Gundams. Myths. Because Japan adopted rather than transformed.

Evangelion is positively hilarious. It's like suburban soccermoms starting yoga and meditation. And not in a sexy way.

It's like the difference between quirky adventure tales of colonial Britain and the everyday frontier tales of 18th and 19th century America. Why was "the western" so successful in America but failed elsewhere? Because you have to understand the western to do it well. You may as well try making kung fu movies in the west. None works.

It's like the difference between contemporary western adoption of ancient Chinese philosophical practices (Dao, Tai Chi, Feng Shui) and how those same practices are perceived in China. The "magic" was "science" of the ancient past. The stories that explored it were the "science fiction" of that era.

I'm very interested in the processes of cultural change (being a product of such moment in time) so I easily see the parallels between things like the emergence of Confucianism and Daoism and European "Enligthenment". Different times, different settings and different needs but the same process. This is why chicks doing yoga or tai chi to look sexy are so stupid to me. I get the point of them much as Chinese creators don't get the point of sci-fi.

China will never have sci-fi. It's literally trying to speak western while talking Chinese. It's like westerners using Chinese lettes for tatoos or ornament. To people in China it's fun. To people who grew up with sci-fi it's stupid. Because it's the difference between needing to know the curse and avoiding it.
Well, Where's your B̶u̶g̶a̶t̶t̶i̶ best selling novel?
 
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