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There is a fundamental lack of trust to allow such a deal to materialise as neither side would be willing to allow the other side to get what they want first and hope they keep their world after.

Also, from a grand strategy POV, such a trade will actually serve America far more than China in the medium to long run.

Once China has peacefully reunified with Taiwan, its principle justification for its military modernisation would be gone. Cue all the CIA funded Hanjians and useful idiots jumping out of the woodworks demanding China cut defence spending to fund LGBT gender studies and other useless western aping programmes as well as increasing demands for political reform.

At the same time America would be able to get concessions where Taiwan’s internal political and social positions are left largely intact similar to Hong Kong and limit mainland law enforcement powers.

The CIA would have a field day fermenting unrest and maybe even starting a terrorism movement and use the existing of that terrorism movement, and China’s counter terrorism efforts as justification for economic sanctions and increased military spending.

To be frank, after the lessons from HK, Beijing would have to be stupid to accept another such poison chalice from the Anglos.

Taiwan’s society is massively compromised by anti-Chinese elements and forces and needs to be thoroughly purged post reunification. Better to do that under the cover of war than with the CIA holding magnifying glasses to make every Chinese traitor a hero and martyr of the west.
HK (and Macau) was only because China wanted to trial the potential of an internal market capitalism. Also it was a posture to show the world (read:Russia regarding outer manchuria) how foreign occupied territory can be returned bloodlessly and while maintaining equality for the past residents.

In contrast Taiwan is not a foreign occupied territory so in the first place there is nothing to negotiate about. US only has its territorial "claim" which is built on solely military threats and the deployment of internationally non-recognized "little green men" into Taiwan. US can only drop it's claims, not demand anything from a territory it has never succesfully occupied.

Giving up on claims US can't win in Taiwan will benefit US in that they're not tying their national fate to an invasion that would be harder for them to win than Barbarossa was for Germany. It is the logical move to establish more realistic goals and fight for those instead, if they are to keep fighting over hegemony with China. But logic and rationality is not at the forefront of the current US regime.
 
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LOL! I am speculating that that photo will be forgotten within the next year. Even when Trump wins the elections. Its just Trump. He is no JFK, and no Reagan. Loved by Trump fans only, reviled by others. If the bullets had really found their mark, then photos of the aftermath would have gained much more celebration. I know a country in particular who might hold a national celebration for his demise.

It's 2024 already, and America can only come up with the same candidates as the 2020 presidential elections. Both are tried and true disasters. There is nothing to be proud about these two clowns even when one got his ear nicked by a bullet.

Picture of the year if not the decade.
 

MarKoz81

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Trump might be open to a deal but the current deep state is simultaneously too moronic and arrogant for such an arrangement to happen.

Trump is so moronic and arrogant that the deep state is your only hope.

He presents himself as a person who wants to avoid war because in terms of personality types he views himself as a businessman rather than a general. This means he wants to make deals, fire people and get richer than others rather than make plans, control people and defeat the enemy. The mentality of a businessman and a general is very different. Businessmen think in terms of dick measuring contests. You win against your rival because you have more than he does. Generals think in terms of grabbing the rival by the throat and not letting go. It doesn't matter if you have more or less as long as you have the advantage. Generals think in terms of means. Businessmen think in terms of aims.

And that means that that while generals are the indispensable tool of war businessmen are the cause of war that everyone always forgets about.

Trump may act like he wants peace but he will be the source of chaos and instability and conflict, The logic of force is counter-intuitive. Si vis pacem para bellum. Trump was a destabilising element because of his "I'll bring peace because I'm such a stable genius".

The only reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was because of Trump and his policies toward Ukraine and the EU. The only reason why we have escalation in Middle East with Iran was because of Trump and his policies toward Iran. The only reason why Israel is doing what it's doing right now is because Trump is as close as you can imagine a president to be a "Zionist asset". Etc etc.

Also Trump has surrounded himself with some of the most radical individuals who want to fully embrace "divide et impera" and "you're with us or you're with them" mentality that the neoconservatives under Bush Jr really only touched.

American imperial deep state - as all imperial deep states, and China is here no exception - has its problems. But what characterises the deep state most of all is bureaucratic inertia. American deep state was responsible for numerous problems during the Cold War but it was also responsible for preventing the most radical elements in it from launching an all out nuclear attack on the Soviet Union when US had a decisive advantage and could win the nuclear war as understood in conventional terms (not in nuclear terms i.e. environmental consequences etc).

Love the deep state that you have because the one that may replace it is likely only going to be worse. Much worse.

Project 2025 is not the product of a deep state. It's the product of people who think they would do a better job.
 

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and people think I’m being harsh when I say that Chinese grand strategy against the Anglo Americans is the complete annexation of all five eyes lands in perpetuity.
Let me elaborate. Westerners are using China as a proxy to gain power over each other. A cursory look across the anglophone internet reveals a desire for many western men to find meaning over a glorious racial holy war against China where it is hoped that all the western nations will be united into a grand brand new roman empire. American politicians today are hoping to be the new Bismark and want a war with China to unite the west, much as Bismark needed a war against France to unite all the german speaking peoples.

Americans needs all hands on deck for their desired war with china because they learnt from Korea that even with a united UN NATO type force, they could only gain a stalemate against an impoverished Chinese militia. Now, going up against chinese hypersonic missiles and lasers? Not to mention Chinese aircraft carriers? They need all the bodies, especially turkish or indian, to soak up machine gun fire so their chosen people blood doesn't get spilt.
 

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and people think I’m being harsh when I say that Chinese grand strategy against the Anglo Americans is the complete annexation of all five eyes lands in perpetuity.
this woman assume EU and u.s has unlimited money and ammo they can give ukraine, and she also assume ukraine has unlimited men to throw to Russian meatgrinder lol. If she can really direct the u.s foreign policy to waste all their resources on ukrainian endless money pit. China has nothing to worry about imo
 

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Picture of the year if not the decade.
Good. Print that photo out. Frame it and hang it over some place to display proudly. Put it along side a photo of Modi and another one more of the two hugging each other. Invite Trump and Modi fans over. There will be much to discuss, admire, and praise about these photos for the next decade.

Meanwhile others who don't live in the Trump and Modi fantasy world will have better things to do.
 
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and people think I’m being harsh when I say that Chinese grand strategy against the Anglo Americans is the complete annexation of all five eyes lands in perpetuity.
How though would this be achieved?

China would likely use nukes in the event they lost just 21 million Chinese in like 3% of its own territory. Why would US, which is still at the end of the day a near peer to China, not use nukes in response to the loss of over 330 million Americans across 95% of their territory?

I just don't see any realistic route to removing them from mainland USA. At least not through direct military means.

What could you see such a campaign consist of?

The only thing I can think of is long term social engineering to get as many third world migrants in as possible so as to dilute and derail white anglo control over politics and make the streets unpoliceble for the regime. De facto loss of control over taxable income, cartels ruling the local cities/politicians. Central government busy with reigning in locals. Gunfights on the streets, freely proliferating drugs etc. Call it the project to create a new South Africa.

I don't know if China has the inclination or even the planning capacity to undertake this sort of campaign.
 

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Chinese language account of Trump assassination written in the style of “Records of the Grand Historian” make him look like an even bigger badass than the photo did.
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