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Lol Trump won't trade Taiwan to China in a deal. What can China even offer in return?
It was a singularly bad idea for America to ever threaten a full scale attack on China to begin with. A wiser American establishment would choose battles they can actually win, such as far away proxy wars etc.

What China can offer is to allow US to back down its claims in Taiwan with dignity, allowing US to fight another day in a battlefield they can conceivably win.
 

LeeDaChu

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Their effective range is ~550 meters under optimal conditions. So it isn’t entirely impossible but we don’t know what exact firearm was used is.
I remember in my cadets days that some people can manage an extremely tight grouping at 300 meters with an iron sight. But under 150 meters is an ideal engagement distance for anyone half decently trained, Trump was lucky the dude didn’t appear to have been trained at all
 

luminary

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Pretty crazy that we have at this point a defacto US President stock (DJT) and MAGA coin... Both up by a lot post-shooting of course.

Financialization gone too far. Or is it a novel form of American Democracy? Retail traders, the underclass, finally have a direct avenue to signal their displeasure and impact net worth of some of Trump's elites.
 

plawolf

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I remember in my cadets days that some people can manage an extremely tight grouping at 300 meters with an iron sight. But under 150 meters is an ideal engagement distance for anyone half decently trained, Trump was lucky the dude didn’t appear to have been trained at all

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. It’s one thing to punch paper at the range, it’s another to do it for real where the consequences are so vast. All the while when you know you are against the clock and that a police sniper might nail you at any moment and when you almost certainly had to scramble to get into position asap so your heart rate is likely to be spiking.

Not saying training couldn’t help people manage such conditions, but that would be highly specialist combat sniper training.

The guy could have had training, even decent military training, but he could still miss the shot under such pressures. If it would be so easy for any line grunt to overcome those kinds of pressures and challenges, there would be no need for elite sniper training.
 

FriedButter

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I remember in my cadets days that some people can manage an extremely tight grouping at 300 meters with an iron sight. But under 150 meters is an ideal engagement distance for anyone half decently trained, Trump was lucky the dude didn’t appear to have been trained at all

The first shot would have killed Trump but he missed the other 4 shots since we now know it was 5 shots in total.

“I’m not supposed to be here, I’m supposed to be dead,” Trump said. “I’m supposed to be dead.”
He said he would be if he had not turned his head slightly to the right to read a chart on illegal immigrants.
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tygyg1111

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Don't forget Trump has a history of reneging on deals and not living up to his side. In business he only ever went for one sided deals and loved to humiliate the other party. The concept of win-win does not exist for him and he doesn't give face, especially not to an Asian. He was apparently genuinely shocked that China responded to his tariffs by slapping counter tariffs. The idea that the Asian would slap back instead of just taking his slap and surrendering to grovel before him was completely shocking to him...so he did more tariffs and was again shocked when China responded with a 2nd round of counter tariffs. That's just how stupid and racist he is.
Reverse UNO: Accept the deal and reunify, change mind about letting US take TSMC and throttle global supply, throw the US a bone and offer to sell TSMC at high valuation due to demand, announce domestic EUV after selling, experience seller's high watching just sold TSMC stock value crumble, profit

Indian elites are fortunate that they have bred the Indian laity to be compliant, weak and lacking the spine and will to act, under the cult like belief that “I’ll be repaid next life”. Now, western elites want to similarly cultivate their own populations to be the same.
This works in China's favor - imagine 2.4B well behaved, obedient, perpetual customers

Lol Trump won't trade Taiwan to China in a deal. What can China even offer in return?
A 'promise' to allow the US to retain a partial sphere of influence in Europe, as opposed to complete fragmentation of the EU and market capture. Unlikely, but if the US is desperate (e.g. civil unrest at home and collapse of trust abroad), this may sound appealing.

The first shot would have killed Trump but he missed the other 4 shots since we now know it was 5 shots in total.

He said he would be if he had not turned his head slightly to the right to read a chart on illegal immigrants.

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plawolf

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Trump might be open to a deal but the current deep state is simultaneously too moronic and arrogant for such an arrangement to happen.

There is a fundamental lack of trust to allow such a deal to materialise as neither side would be willing to allow the other side to get what they want first and hope they keep their world after.

Also, from a grand strategy POV, such a trade will actually serve America far more than China in the medium to long run.

Once China has peacefully reunified with Taiwan, its principle justification for its military modernisation would be gone. Cue all the CIA funded Hanjians and useful idiots jumping out of the woodworks demanding China cut defence spending to fund LGBT gender studies and other useless western aping programmes as well as increasing demands for political reform.

At the same time America would be able to get concessions where Taiwan’s internal political and social positions are left largely intact similar to Hong Kong and limit mainland law enforcement powers.

The CIA would have a field day fermenting unrest and maybe even starting a terrorism movement and use the existing of that terrorism movement, and China’s counter terrorism efforts as justification for economic sanctions and increased military spending.

To be frank, after the lessons from HK, Beijing would have to be stupid to accept another such poison chalice from the Anglos.

Taiwan’s society is massively compromised by anti-Chinese elements and forces and needs to be thoroughly purged post reunification. Better to do that under the cover of war than with the CIA holding magnifying glasses to make every Chinese traitor a hero and martyr of the west.
 
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