Don't forget Trump has a history of reneging on deals and not living up to his side. In business he only ever went for one sided deals and loved to humiliate the other party. The concept of win-win does not exist for him and he doesn't give face, especially not to an Asian. He was apparently genuinely shocked that China responded to his tariffs by slapping counter tariffs. The idea that the Asian would slap back instead of just taking his slap and surrendering to grovel before him was completely shocking to him...so he did more tariffs and was again shocked when China responded with a 2nd round of counter tariffs. That's just how stupid and racist he is.
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Don't forget Trump has a history of reneging on deals and not living up to his side. In business he only ever went for one sided deals and loved to humiliate the other party. The concept of win-win does not exist for him and he doesn't give face, especially not to an Asian. He was apparently genuinely shocked that China responded to his tariffs by slapping counter tariffs. The idea that the Asian would slap back instead of just taking his slap and surrendering to grovel before him was completely shocking to him...so he did more tariffs and was again shocked when China responded with a 2nd round of counter tariffs. That's just how stupid and racist he is.
Indian elites are fortunate that they have bred the Indian laity to be compliant, weak and lacking the spine and will to act, under the cult like belief that “I’ll be repaid next life”. Now, western elites want to similarly cultivate their own populations to be the same.
I don't see how such a deal can be made when Japan and S.Korea are also involved. Selling out Taiwan would ring alarm bells to these two vassals
Why would Japan and South Korea be involved?
Why does anyone here think Japan or South Korea are in any position to say no to their master?
Lol Trump won't trade Taiwan to China in a deal. What can China even offer in return?
Losing Taiwan means that S.Korea and Japan lines of communications and trade would be at China's mercy. Also, it would be a huge and pubic betrayal of Taiwan that wouldn't go unnoticed there ("if he can sell out Taiwan, he can sell us out as well")
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Its not so much a question of what's being offered at the party but rather a question of whos coming to the party.
Structural factors matter, not personalities. The US does not tolerate threats to its hegemonic status. Only the total surrender of any national interests by China would be acceptable to Washington. DC elites deluded themselves that China would simply be a very big version of South Korea or Japan: vassal states with little to say.
When they understood that was a fantasy is when the aggression began. Trump or Biden or whoever president doesn't matter. The same treatment will be given to India if they ever dare to move out of the orbit of "the West's chess piece against China". India's weakness is that its elites are much more westernised than China's and so any move towards genuine independence will be hampered from the inside by those who care more about their links to the West than their own national interest. This is true in other South Asian countries like Pakistan too.
The obsession with China is at some level rational, because I don't see any other country being able to stand up to US hegemony other than China today or even far into the future.
When they understood that was a fantasy is when the aggression began. Trump or Biden or whoever president doesn't matter. The same treatment will be given to India if they ever dare to move out of the orbit of "the West's chess piece against China". India's weakness is that its elites are much more westernised than China's and so any move towards genuine independence will be hampered from the inside by those who care more about their links to the West than their own national interest. This is true in other South Asian countries like Pakistan too.
The obsession with China is at some level rational, because I don't see any other country being able to stand up to US hegemony other than China today or even far into the future.
It was a singularly bad idea for America to ever threaten a full scale attack on China to begin with. A wiser American establishment would choose battles they can actually win, such as far away proxy wars etc.
What China can offer is to allow US to back down its claims in Taiwan with dignity, allowing US to fight another day in a battlefield they can conceivably win.