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montyp165

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AssassinsMace said:
In the Philippines there's a debate whether or not the US will come to their aid in a conflict with China after they've been showing off their "new" alliance. It's come up because apparently the Philippines expected the US to get directly involved in their latest sea disputes with China and they haven't except in words.

The irony is that Filipinos think allying themselves with the US makes them feel more important when it's just the US using them. Look at the revelation that the Pentagon lied to Filipinos and others so they don't take China's free Covid vaccines. Remember how Biden said he was giving hundreds of millions of US vaccines to the Global South? That was a lie because in the same revelation about the Pentagon, it said that Biden made a deal with Pfizer and Moderna that they could charge the Global South as much as the want for their vaccines. They didn't care if Filipinos died because of the US's anti-vax propaganda. They're just cannon fodder. Look at how the West is talking up a Asian NATO. The same countries that are too afraid to send their soldiers to fight in Ukraine...? Why an Asian NATO? Because this way they can order Asian countries that are members to fight their wars for them. Look at how Filipinos are talking like they have a formidable military force. I'm sure the US is telling them they're like Ukrainians winning against Russia. Or how about how if one Filipino dies by the Chinese in any of these skirmishes, it could be an act of war? Is that suppose to be a threat? Or are they talking big because they thought the US was going to fight for them? And I read an article that the Philippines is complaining about China not buying their bananas...
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China outmaneuvered the 'Asian NATO' that was SEATO back in the Second Indochina War era (and in more unfavorable circumstances too); a replacement would only end up losing harder than the first (and the US along with it).
 
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pmc

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The way I see it is: Iran is pushed into a corner and the only options it has are to 1) suicide it's current system until inline with Western interests, or 2) open up to Western interests by voluntarily altering it's anti-Western policies. Either way, it ends in Western hands or it continues as a pariah state. Should it destruct internally or is couped, it will certainly end in another vassal state of the West which means another regional obstacle for China. But if China was to assert itself more into the current Iran, it could prevent Iran from potentially becoming another US vassal. Iran is no longer under UN sanctions. The only sanctions remaining are by US and some EU.
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If you have studied Arabic soft power you wont be asking this question repeatedly.
Iranian system has its limitation that it cannot become wealthy relative to its skills and resources. Iran is not pariah as it has Direct flights to Europe and Gulf Emirates which is unlike North Korea. I am sure Russia is investing in Iran when you look at scale of interactions between two countries like students or tourists and i think Gulf Arabs will support this approach because it enable them to discover Iran.
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fatzergling

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pmc said:
If you have studied Arabic soft power you wont be asking this question repeatedly.
Iranian system has its limitation that it cannot become wealthy relative to its skills and resources. Iran is not pariah as it has Direct flights to Europe and Gulf Emirates which is unlike North Korea. I am sure Russia is investing in Iran when you look at scale of interactions between two countries like students or tourists and i think Gulf Arabs will support this approach because it enable them to discover Iran.
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Teach me about this Arabic soft power o wise one!
 
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manqiangrexue

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_killuminati_ said:
The way I see it is: Iran is pushed into a corner and the only options it has are to 1) suicide it's current system until inline with Western interests, or 2) open up to Western interests by voluntarily altering it's anti-Western policies. Either way, it ends in Western hands or it continues as a pariah state. Should it destruct internally or is couped, it will certainly end in another vassal state of the West which means another regional obstacle for China. But if China was to assert itself more into the current Iran, it could prevent Iran from potentially becoming another US vassal.
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Iran's already in a corner and it's used to fighting there. China is not in a position to assert itself in Iran. We have no borders and no ability or desire to fight for it if it is attacked. We can't stick our necks out for them, especially since Iran is actually not even a pro-China country. It is not stable; it is not safe; business with Iran needs to be transactional.
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Iran is no longer under UN sanctions. The only sanctions remaining are by US and some EU.
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And that's how we like it. That's how we can deal with them. If somebody comes into office who threatens every day to build a nuke to finish off Israel and turn the West into a sea of fire, additional sanctions can pile onto the point where it becomes illegal or unappetizingly risky and provocative to do business with them.
 
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但佩泽什基安会分散更多精力去发展与美西方的关系，而且，佩泽什基安会向中国提出更多要求。佩泽什基安在选举辩论中多次公开批评中国，抱怨中国为什么不执行两国2021年签订的25年合作协议。
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A Chinese Op-ed analyzing Iran's new president. One part that stood out to me was that Iran's new president openly criticized China multiple times during the campaign trail, especially on the issue of China-Iran 25 year cooperation. I think the consensus in both the west and the east is that Iran's new president will be less friendly to China and Russia and more friendly to the west.
 
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9dashline

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Eventine said:
Most likely to be paid by American consumers via tariffs over the next twenty years.

This is what we call "manufactured leverage" - ie it's only leverage if the other side is stupid enough to fall for it.
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"In times of war the laws fall silent"

"War is a continuation of politics by other means"

The only way US could ever get China to pay up 18 trillion is if it kinetically defeated China in war.....

Sounds like this could be prelude to declaration of war etc, if Chatgpt 5 comes out before the election, Xi needs to rug pull and go for AR
 
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