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In the Philippines there's a debate whether or not the US will come to their aid in a conflict with China after they've been showing off their "new" alliance. It's come up because apparently the Philippines expected the US to get directly involved in their latest sea disputes with China and they haven't except in words.

The irony is that Filipinos think allying themselves with the US makes them feel more important when it's just the US using them. Look at the revelation that the Pentagon lied to Filipinos and others so they don't take China's free Covid vaccines. Remember how Biden said he was giving hundreds of millions of US vaccines to the Global South? That was a lie because in the same revelation about the Pentagon, it said that Biden made a deal with Pfizer and Moderna that they could charge the Global South as much as the want for their vaccines. They didn't care if Filipinos died because of the US's anti-vax propaganda. They're just cannon fodder. Look at how the West is talking up a Asian NATO. The same countries that are too afraid to send their soldiers to fight in Ukraine...? Why an Asian NATO? Because this way they can order Asian countries that are members to fight their wars for them. Look at how Filipinos are talking like they have a formidable military force. I'm sure the US is telling them they're like Ukrainians winning against Russia. Or how about how if one Filipino dies by the Chinese in any of these skirmishes, it could be an act of war? Is that suppose to be a threat? Or are they talking big because they thought the US was going to fight for them? And I read an article that the Philippines is complaining about China not buying their bananas...
 
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Petrolicious88

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AssassinsMace said:
In the Philippines there's a debate whether or not the US will come to their aid in a conflict with China after they've been showing off their "new" alliance. It's come up because apparently the Philippines expected the US to get directly involved in their latest sea disputes with China and they haven't except in words.

The irony is that Filipinos think allying themselves with the US makes them feel more important when it's just the US using them. Look at the revelation that the Pentagon lied to Filipinos and others so they don't take China's free Covid vaccines. Remember how Biden said he was giving hundreds of millions of US vaccines to the Global South? That was a lie because in the same revelation about the Pentagon, it said that Biden made a deal with Pfizer and Moderna that they could charge the Global South as much as the want for their vaccines. They didn't care if Filipinos died because of the US's anti-vax propaganda. They're just cannon fodder. Look at how the West is talking up a Asian NATO. The same countries that are too afraid to send their soldiers to fight in Ukraine...? Why an Asian NATO? Because this way they can order Asian countries that are members to fight their wars for them. Look at how Filipinos are talking like they have a formidable military force. I'm sure the US is telling them they're like Ukrainians winning against Russia. Or how about how if one Filipino dies by the Chinese in any of these skirmishes, it could be an act of war? Is that suppose to be a threat? Or are they talking big because they thought the US was going to fight for them? And I read an article that the Philippines is complaining about China not buying their bananas...
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Are the the Philippines that gullible or is it more because they want to ally with the US, they look up to the US, and when you have a large neighbor that wants your land, what choice do you have other than partner with another country.
 
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taxiya

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henrik said:
Why does there US stock market keep on going up, if high interest rates are bad for the economy?
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Stock price going up or interest rate raising have nothing to do with performance of economy. Remember the 2007-2008 crisis? The stocks were flying up right before the crisis, then took a nose dive.
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Or the earlier dot-com bubble burst if you are old enough to feel it.

Raising interest rate can be due to inflation that is caused by economy booming, or due to overly money printing. This time around it is due to crazy money printing (aka QE) during the past 3 years of pandemic. One may ask why dollar is still going stronger than other currencies for money printing? It is because dollar is the main trading and reserve currency, a luxury only US enjoys. That is why some want to remove dollar, while the US is willing to go to war to defend it, the current Ukraine war is part of it (cut off EU's fuel line and lock it up to US), so were the many earlier wars such as Yogoslavia wars to beat the then new-born EURO.

Also remember, high interest rate means higher cost of serving debt, not only the US government serving treasure bonds, but also American businesses serving their bank loans which will drive up their operational costs and eat up their profits and cash flows, that is bad for business. The high stock price in the exchange market is just a number, not cash that companies can use. Once money goes into the stock market, it doesn't do anything to help the operation of the company, it is only meaningful for changing hand of ownership of the company. This number can just jump from 1000 to 0 over night when the company's cash flow broke even though the company is doing well with its products and customers.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Petrolicious88 said:
Are the the Philippines that gullible or is it more because they want to ally with the US, they look up to the US, and when you have a large neighbor that wants your land, what choice do you have other than partner with another country.
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And the US has been wanting to destroy China since before communism in China. Ergo, the Philippines allying with the US is about helping the US wanting to take over and destroy China before any of those excuses why Filipinos are insecure about China. It's their own fault.

Yes they are that gullible when I hear more from Filipinos how they think they're more white than any other Asian. What does that get them if they were. Nothing but they buy it anyway.
 
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Iran is less powerful than Russia. It is less stable, and actually more vulnerable to being couped or directly militarily conquered should the US decide that it must be done. If this happens, all of China's investments in it are lost because we are not ready to fight a long distance war to defend Iran (nor are they friendly enough towards us to deserve it). So it is much riskier than Russia with much less rewards even when successful.

Iran shares no border with China. It is much cheaper due to ease of transport and more natural to trade more with a country that shares a large border with you. It's easier to beef up the volume and it's easier to secure deliveries on both sides without worry of third party foul play. This factor played a major role in how fast the Russian economy could tilt towards China but it is not there with Iran. Americans are literally pirates at sea when they see Iranian oil tankers. Russian oil comes safetly and on time every time by pipeline. Borders are important.

Iran has enmity with Saudi Arabia, with whom China must balance our relationship. Although it seems China is making headway closing that gap.

A radical Iran has a sworn dedication to the erradication of Israel, which is much more radical than Russia's stated goals so it would be more socially jarring to support such a country. Trade with a radical Iran would be much more comparable to a North Korea, except with no shared borders than a mighty and bordering Russia.
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The way I see it is: Iran is pushed into a corner and the only options it has are to 1) suicide it's current system until inline with Western interests, or 2) open up to Western interests by voluntarily altering it's anti-Western policies. Either way, it ends in Western hands or it continues as a pariah state. Should it destruct internally or is couped, it will certainly end in another vassal state of the West which means another regional obstacle for China. But if China was to assert itself more into the current Iran, it could prevent Iran from potentially becoming another US vassal. Iran is no longer under UN sanctions. The only sanctions remaining are by US and some EU.



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What you're asking seems to be less "why doesn't China deepen trade with Iran" but more like "why doesn't China fund Iran like US funds Israel".
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That's not what I was asking.
Iran mostly has a decent trade surplus, gdp/capita twice that of India, and a great market for foreign imports which currently are limited mostly to raw materials; a market that China could dominate very easily due to lack of competition.
 
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taxiya

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Petrolicious88 said:
Are the the Philippines that gullible or is it more because they want to ally with the US, they look up to the US, and when you have a large neighbor that wants your land, what choice do you have other than partner with another country.
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It also make perfect sense by replacing the bold texts with "when you are a drug adict on the leash of mafia boss, what choice do you have other than joining a burglary with your boss."
 
GZDRefugee

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horse said:
A question for everybody, regarding Joseph Needham.

Who invented the suspension bridge?

The Chinese invented the suspension bridge.

I know that because I saw a picture in one of Joseph Needham's work. The diagram he pulled from some ancient Chinese text, predates any suspension bridge anywhere in the world for like maybe 100 years or more. There is no doubt the Chinese invented the suspension bridge. The evidence is right there.

That article posted earlier, written by some Western person, said that the Chinese are not good at going from 0 to 1 , but are really good from going from 1 to 99.

Inventing the suspension bridge, that is going from 0 to 1. There is whole history of innovation, in engineering and science there in China, and this what we are talking about.

Needham went out of his way to try to find it, it became his life this work of scholarship. Too bad I never had a chance to read more, because, life got in the way.
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The difficulty going from 0 to 1 is so overplayed. I'm pretty sure the main reason is risk of unsuccessful efforts wasting funding. You have to consider that China's current R&D ecosystem is relatively immature compared to Europe and the US. If every project had infinite funding, you will likely see more risky and groundbreaking research.
 
Bellum_Romanum

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Petrolicious88 said:
Are the the Philippines that gullible or is it more because they want to ally with the US, they look up to the US, and when you have a large neighbor that wants your land, what choice do you have other than partner with another country.
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What land are you talking about? That land NEVER BELONGED to the Philippines to begin with let's get that fact straight buddy.
 
GZDRefugee

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gelgoog said:
I said pretty much the same thing a long time ago. China could take out Taiwan and South Korea's semiconductor manufacturing and they would wipe out most advanced semiconductor manufacturing out of the map. It would take a decade of fab construction costing many hundreds of billions to start to recover. And a total recovery could be two decades and a couple trillion in the making.

If China is cut out of advanced chip supply from Taiwan and South Korea by Western sanctions, then these countries lose much of their significance as trade partners to China. Half of Taiwan's exports to China are ICs. A third of South Korea's exports to China are ICs. Much of the remainder is exports of polymers and other petrochemical products. Which China is currently working on eliminating with its own production.

By taking the Taiwanese and South Korean electronics industry out then China would turn this into a lose-lose situation where not only China loses access to these imports, but also the West. Companies like AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatek, and Nvidia would implode.
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Where are we gonna get legacy nodes from? :thinking:

Oh that's right, legacy node production is dominated by China. Both sides may lose but one side is gonna lose several times harder.
 
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