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manqiangrexue

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I'm 100% Hakka Chinese born and raised in Germany. I hate Germany to be the lapdog under the US regime and the whole European politics under the most evil person Von der Leyen.
I love my mother country China so much and miss China every day, since I'm back in February this year.
OK good. Be proud of it. No need to avoid politics. Say the things you see on this forum, how the US and West spread evil and how China is the only ancient and modern superpower and that is built on the innate power of the country carried upon the shoulders of Chinese people, the smartest and most hard-working in the world. Tell them that they will always be looked down as Asians unless China wins. Show those friends you have that you're better than them, that to love ones' own country is to be wholesome. Radiate positive patriotic energy so that they feel like losers if they don't bask in it too.
 

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China slams European Commission for demanding commercial secrets in EV probe​

China's Ministry of Commerce (MOFCOM) on Thursday slammed the European Commission (EC)'s investigation into Chinese electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers, in which the EC demanded a huge amount of information related to the firms' commercial secrets. MOFCOM reiterated its vow to take all necessary measures to defend Chinese firms' rights and interests.

Chinese carmakers have called for strong countermeasures, including considering raising the temporary tariff rate on imported cars with large-displacement engines, while relevant domestic industries have requested or plan to request investigations into certain EU products, including pork and dairy. Chinese officials have vowed to take all necessary measures to defend the rights and interests of Chinese businesses.

Meanwhile, a recent survey showed that Chinese businesses' confidence in the EU market has plunged sharply following the EC's investigation into Chinese EVs and subsequent punitive tariffs. The EC's move has seriously undermined China-EU cooperation and will deal a serious blow to the EU's struggling economy, Chinese experts said.

Asked about a closed-door meeting between major Chinese and European carmakers, where the relevant firms said that the EC demanded trade secrets about the Chinese EV industry, He Yadong, a spokesperson for MOFCOM, said that the EC requested a large amount of information on the production and operation, development plans, technical processes, product formulas and other information from Chinese EV and battery companies.

"The type, scope and quantity of information collected by the EU side is unprecedented and far exceeds what is needed for countervailing investigations," He said at a press conference on Thursday, while also slamming the EC's punitive tariffs based on claims that Chinese firms did not cooperate. "Chinese companies were shocked and very disappointed."

He reiterated that the EC's move lacks any factual and legal basis, violates WTO rules, disrupts fair competition and undermines the global green transition and open cooperation. "China firmly opposes this and will take all necessary measures to resolutely defend the rights and interests of Chinese companies."

On Tuesday, major Chinese and European carmakers held a closed-door meeting, during which Chinese carmakers and industry associations deplored the EC's ruling against Chinese EVs and urged the government to take strong countermeasures, including considering raising the temporary tariff rate on imported cars with large-displacement engines, a source told the Global Times.

European carmakers that attended the meeting also expressed opposition to the EC's move to impose additional tariffs on Chinese EVs, and hoped that China and the EU will start negotiations as soon as possible to avoid escalation in China-EU trade tensions, said the source who attended the meeting.

While MOFCOM did not announce specific countermeasures, the spokesperson also offered updates on Chinese investigations into EU products. China has completed various procedures in its anti-dumping probe into brandy from the EU, and will make rulings based on the investigation, He said.

Asked whether MOFCOM will launch an investigation into dairy products from the EU following its probe into certain pork and pig by-products from the EU, He said that MOFCOM has noted the requests made by relevant industries, which have the right to apply for investigations under Chinese laws and WTO rules. Investigation authorities will review applications filed by domestic industries and launch an investigation when the conditions for a probe is met, the spokesperson said.

MOFCOM on Monday announced that at the request of the Chinese domestic industry, it will launch an anti-dumping investigation into certain pork and pig by-products originating from the EU. In addition to the anti-dumping investigation into certain EU pork and pig by-products, the Global Times has also learned from a business insider that relevant Chinese industries are preparing evidence, as they plan to apply to competent authorities to launch an anti-subsidy investigation into imports of certain dairy products from the EU.

Major blow to EU economy

Meanwhile, a survey released by the China Chamber of Commerce to the EU (CCCEU), the main Chinese business group in the bloc, showed that 82 percent of surveyed companies said the EU's anti-subsidy probe has led to a decline in confidence in investing in Europe. More than 70 percent said that the EC's investigation negatively impacted sales in Europe, according to the result of the survey shared with the Global Times on Thursday.

"Since the start of the investigation, there has been a noticeable detriment to the sales and reputation of Chinese new energy vehicle enterprises operating within Europe. This adverse situation has eroded the confidence of Chinese automotive manufacturers in their European ventures, negatively impacting the European commercial environment," the CCCEU said.

Chinese experts said that the EC's move has seriously undermined business confidence in the EU's market and the foundation for China-EU economic and trade cooperation, which will deal a serious blow to the EU's already struggling economy.

Bai Ming, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said that if the EU joins the US in its years-long trade disputes against China, it will have a profoundly negative impact on the EU's economy in the long term.

"Due to political considerations, the EC disregarded the consequences for its economy, including jobs, inflation and growth. Essentially, it is picking up a stone to smash its feet," Bai told the Global Times on Thursday, adding that China will take resolute countermeasures if the EC starts a trade dispute.

Some Western media reports said that the EC's protectionist move opens a new front in the West's trade disputes with China, which the US started a few years ago. However, just as the US' trade war failed to contain China, an EU trade dispute with China will wreak further havoc on the EU's economy, which is already struggling from multiple challenges, including the Russia-Ukraine conflict, Chinese experts said.

"The US' tariffs and other measures against China were made out of political, strategic and security considerations, and disregards economic interests. In comparison, the EU should not be impulsive and instead should consider the broad and direct economic benefits brought by its close relationship with China," Cui Hongjian, a professor from the Academy of Regional and Global Governance with Beijing Foreign Studies University, told the Global Times on Thursday.

Cui said that there are major differences between the US and EU economies, and blindly following the US' step of launching a trade dispute with China would make the EU the biggest loser.

While the US has benefited greatly from the Russia-Ukraine conflict and relies on its dollar hegemony to prop up its economy, the European economy is in serious trouble. In 2023, the European economy saw close to zero growth, and some media outlets said that some EU countries face the risk of falling off an economic cliff.

The Europeans were trying to recreate the century of humiliation on China. This investigation on Chinese EVs was never about competitiveness but an extortion racket by the Europeans. They wanted information on production, operations, R&D, development plans, technical procedures, product formula, and others data. A western ploy in extorting Chinese companies to hand over their enterprise and blueprints to them.

He Yadong, a spokesperson for MOFCOM, said that the EC requested a large amount of information on the production and operation, development plans, technical processes, product formulas and other information from Chinese EV and battery companies.
 

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The Europeans were trying to recreate the century of humiliation on China. This investigation on Chinese EVs was never about competitiveness but an extortion racket by the Europeans. They wanted information on production, operations, R&D, development plans, technical procedures, product formula, and others data. A western ploy in extorting Chinese companies to hand over their enterprise and blueprints to them.
BYD was given the lightest of tariffs. And EU also said that the more you cooperated with the "probe", the less tariffs you would get.

If true, BYD executives should be facing prison time
 

GZDRefugee

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I don't think peaceful reunification is possible, but I would point out that it always works in this fashion.

People have better sentiments towards places that have been richer than them for as long as they've known. During the catch-up phase, people have worse sentiments as they see it as inferiors not "knowing their place". See white American attitudes towards Blacks getting "uppity" and culminating in stuff like the Tulsa race massacre.

It takes a new generation growing up in an environment where the growing power is already richer to start seeing sentiments shift. This is especially true if the incumbent powers have a vested interest in steering perceptions.

This shift will probably become tangible around 2040 or sooner, but regardless of how positively China is viewed, peaceful reunification will never happen. There has never been a case of such in history.
Extrapolating current trends to 2040, the Taiwanese are gonna be saying they're Japanese rather than Chinese.
 

taxiya

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BYD was given the lightest of tariffs. And EU also said that the more you cooperated with the "probe", the less tariffs you would get.

If true, BYD executives should be facing prison time
Or it is what the EU commission wanted how it looked?

Don't you remember one of the movie series "Police story"
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, either the 1st or the 2nd. The police tried to put mistrust between the mafia boss and his adjutant, so they brought in the adjutant in interogation room but spoke nothing for 10 minutes. Then the adjutant left puzzled, the boss asked what they talked, the answer was of course nothing. Guess what? The boss never believed nothing happened in the room.

This kind of tactic has been used numerous times in the history. A reversed tactic in the same principle is during the Chinese civil war, Communist force made truce with some warlord, but to provide a cover to the "friendly" warlord, the red army would still "attack" the "friendlies". The key is that nobody would believe nothing happened if one is supposed to be enemy, or nobody would believe your innocence if enemy don't hit you as well.

It is a trick to divide and conquer by inserting mistrust among enemies, to set an example of reward to good coorperation even if there is no cooperation, but others wouldn't know if there is or not, all they can see is the reward is real, therefor people will compete to coorperate.

This is also used in stock market manipulation by spreading rumors to trigger a hike or collapse so huge difference can be earned.

Even if BYD "cooperated" and got a deal of lower tarrif. One must ask does that lower tarrif in the short term worth the long term loss of giving up valuable secrets to competitors? I don't think BYD is stupid or desperate for EU market share to make a bad decision.
 
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Wait there are people who unironically think China is going to take over Taiwan for their semiconductors? Then why the hell have China been planning it for decades then? Dont they know TSMC being important is only a recent thing? Before that TSMC is just the invention of some mainland a Chinese guy who decided to make his own company coz Texas Instruments wouldn't let a Chinese become CEO.

At this point I realize it's pointless talking with these people. It's not that they're ignorant. It's that they are choosing to be ignorant and wrong on purpose to justify their predjudice. Then what's the point of talking to such people? You fight and you win. Then you never have to listen to these people again for they die unfortunately for beliefs that never made sense in the first place. Much like all the fascists who were so convinced of their superiority only to end up dead and a memory in the hands of "inferior" people.

I have a rule that when western media especially American ones says something about China or a country it doesn't like I'll just assume it's bullshit since such media literally has a conflict of interest. Its not directly on paper owned by the government but its financed by the same people that lobby the government and somehow has government officials connected with it. Actually it's even worse than state media because they have no accountability unlike state media. People are realizing this even amongst the normies so if you think otherwise you are either a glowie or someone beyond saving.

I understand. But even the fear of being swamp by asian or being white supremacists, they rather fear someone next door like Indonesia that having that kind of potential unlike china. Even china in lebensraum mode won't interested in Australia.
A legit right wing Australia would keep china happy while f*ck around with Indonesia instead.
That hasn’t been my observation amongst Australians. White Australians are indifferent towards Indonesians who they feel superior towards or at worst, have contempt towards Indonesians. It’s is China that they fear, historically since the gold rush days, throughout the ending of the white Australia policy and even to now with wingnuts like the “wolverines” in parliament.

I remember years ago sitting on the train in Sydney, this was a crowded train and I saw a bunch of young white schoolboys, in year 7 probably who evidently came from privilege because they wore private school uniforms from a GPS school and they were discussing how they were going to nuke all of Asia, genocide Chinese jack London style. They werent talking about a Video game mind you, this was the aspirations of the children of wealthy Australian elites who felt comfortable excitedly discussing genocide on a crowded train. This is Australia society And explains the bamboo ceilings in Australian workplaces, the racism in media and society, the weird vibes all adult Australians will give you when you walk down the street with a young blonde girl on your arm. Australia is the last of the Anglo colonies in the manner of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa, it was forced to adapt in an Asian neighbourhood and it fights against the trend of history of a rising China that will dominate not just Asia, but the world.
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The Europeans were trying to recreate the century of humiliation on China. This investigation on Chinese EVs was never about competitiveness but an extortion racket by the Europeans. They wanted information on production, operations, R&D, development plans, technical procedures, product formula, and others data. A western ploy in extorting Chinese companies to hand over their enterprise and blueprints to them.
how does this fare against Chinese law which forbids transfer of IP without Chinese gov, approval and if BYD really did give away secrets, what would be the penalty? More importantly, isn’t there a Chinese commisar on the boards of all these companies?
 

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The Hinduja family forced vulnerable domestic workers from India to work excruciatingly long hours at their villa in Geneva. The court found the workers were paid a pittance in Indian rupees, not Swiss francs.
Members of the family were accused of trafficking mostly-illiterate
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, confiscating their passports, and forcing them to work 16-hour days in their Geneva villa without overtime pay.

The domestic workers were paid between 220 and 400 francs ($250-450) a month — a wage up to 90% less than what they could expect to earn in Switzerland. This wage was paid in Indian rupees into banks back home that the workers could not physically access.

"They're profiting from the misery of the world," Geneva prosecutor Yves Bertossa told the court.

He accused the Hindujas of spending "more on their dog than on their domestic employees."
 
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