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Biden calls ICC prosecutor’s decision to seek arrest warrant for Netanyahu ‘outrageous’

Israel’s closest allies on Monday criticized the decision of International Criminal Court prosecutor Karim Khan to seek arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant alongside three leaders of the Hamas terrorist organization.

US President Joe Biden called the decision “outrageous.”

“Let me be clear: whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas,” Biden said in a statement. “We will always stand with Israel against threats to its security.”

In his own statement, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the Biden administration “fundamentally rejects” Khan’s decision.

“We reject the prosecutor’s equivalence of Israel with Hamas. It is shameful. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization that carried out the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust and is still holding dozens of innocent people hostage, including Americans,” Blinken said.

The secretary of state reiterated the long-held US stance that the ICC has no jurisdiction over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, in no small part due to the fact that Israel — and the US — are not members of the court.

“The ICC was established by its state parties as a court of limited jurisdiction. Those limits are rooted in principles of complementarity, which do not appear to have been applied here amid the prosecutor’s rush to seek these arrest warrants rather than allowing the Israeli legal system a full and timely opportunity to proceed,” Blinken said.

“In other situations, the prosecutor deferred to national investigations and worked with states to allow them time to investigate. The prosecutor did not afford the same opportunity to Israel, which has ongoing investigations into allegations against its personnel,” he continued.

“There are also deeply troubling process questions,” Blinken said on Monday. “Despite not being a member of the court, Israel was prepared to cooperate with the prosecutor. In fact, the prosecutor himself was scheduled to visit Israel as early as next week to discuss the investigation and hear from the Israeli government. The prosecutor’s staff was supposed to land in Israel today to coordinate the visit. Israel was informed that they did not board their flight around the same time that the prosecutor went on cable television to announce the charges.

“These and other circumstances call into question the legitimacy and credibility of this investigation,” he added. “Fundamentally, this decision does nothing to help and could jeopardize, ongoing efforts to reach a ceasefire agreement that would get hostages out and surge humanitarian assistance in, which are the goals the United States continues to pursue relentlessly.”

International Criminal Court Prosecutor Karim Kahn announces that he has requested arrest warrants against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, as well as Hamas leaders Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Hanuyeh, May 20, 2024. (Courtesy International Criminal Court)

US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said the ICC chief prosecutor’s pursuit of arrest warrants against Israeli leaders “emboldens” the leadership of Hamas, which could harm the ongoing efforts to secure a hostage deal.

He said that the court doesn’t have jurisdiction to target Hamas leaders either, arguing that they can instead be held accountable by the IDF on the battlefield or by being brought before an Israeli court.

As for holding Israeli officials accountable for alleged crimes committed during the Gaza war, Miller noted that the IDF has ongoing internal investigations, including criminal ones, into suspected inappropriate conduct by individual soldiers during the war.

Miller called into question the “legitimacy and credibility” of the ICC prosecutor’s case, given his decision to issue an announcement while those investigations are still ongoing.

The ICC is supposed to be a “last resort” if a country isn’t properly holding itself accountable and this does not currently apply to Israel, Miller says, adding that Washington’s issue with the ICC prosecutor’s decision is not just a jurisdictional one but a process one as well.

The State Department spokesperson declined to say whether the US is considering sanctions against the ICC following today’s decision.

On Monday afternoon, a spokesperson for UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said that the decision by the ICC prosecutor is unhelpful.

“This action is not helpful in relation to reaching a pause in the fighting, getting hostages out or getting humanitarian aid in,” the spokesperson said.

Britain’s Prime Minister Rishi Sunak leaves 10 Downing Street to go to the House of Commons for his weekly Prime Minister’s Questions in London, May 1, 2024. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

The spokesperson said the ICC did not have the jurisdiction to request the arrest warrants: “The UK, as with other countries, does not yet recognize Palestine as a state and Israel is not a state party to the Rome Statute,” which outlines the ICC’s areas of jurisdiction, the spokesperson said.

Asked if the police would arrest Netanyahu if he came to Britain, the spokesperson said he would not comment on what he called “hypotheticals.”

British deputy foreign minister Andrew Mitchell later told parliament that the ICC’s decision would not have an immediate impact on the government’s approval of licenses so companies can sell weapons to Israel.

“The fact that the prosecutor has applied for arrest warrants to be issued does not directly impact, for example, on UK licensing decisions, but we will continue to monitor developments,” Mitchell said.

Germany also said Monday that the prosecutor’s request for arrest warrants for both Israeli and Hamas leaders created a “false impression of equivalence.”

“The simultaneous application for arrest warrants against the Hamas leaders on the one hand and the two Israeli officials on the other has given the false impression of equivalence,” a spokesman for the German foreign ministry said in a statement.

Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala called the ICC prosecutor’s decision “appalling and completely unacceptable.”

“We must not forget that it was Hamas that attacked Israel in October and killed, injured and kidnapped thousands of innocent people,” he wrote on X. “It was this completely unprovoked terrorist attack that led to the current war in Gaza and the suffering of civilians in Gaza, Israel and Lebanon.”

Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer said in a statement that Vienna supports the independence of the ICC, but “the fact, however, that the leader of the terrorist organization Hamas, whose declared goal is the extinction of the State of Israel, is being mentioned at the same time as the democratically elected representatives of that very state is non-comprehensible.”

Austria’s Chancellor Karl Nehammer (right) speaks at the Federal Chancellery while Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban looks on in Vienna, Austria, July 28, 2022. (Alex Halada/AFP)

Several US Republican lawmakers also spoke out in support of Israel and against the ICC prosecutor’s decision.

Sen. Jim Risch, the senior Republican on the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement that “there is no cause for why the court should be investigating Israel as it is not a party to the Rome Statute and Israel has a fully functional judiciary.”

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham wrote on X that the “outrageous decision is truly a slap in the face to the independent judiciary in Israel, which is renowned for their independence.”

Graham vowed to “feverishly work with colleagues on both sides of the aisle in both chambers to levy damning sanctions against the ICC.”

The senator said that he had engaged with the ICC recently and was told that there would be additional meetings and consultations that would take months, but instead the ICC prosecutor announced the request for warrants on Monday: “I feel that I was lied to and that my colleagues were lied to. Prosecutor Khan is drunk with self-importance and has done a lot of damage to the peace process and to the ability to find a way forward.”

Meanwhile, Belgian Foreign Minister Hadja Lahbib posted on X that Brussels supports the work of the ICC.

“Crimes committed in Gaza must be prosecuted at the highest level, regardless of the perpetrators,” she wrote. “The fight against impunity wherever crimes occur is a priority for Belgium.”
“We reject the prosecutor’s equivalence of Israel with Hamas. It is shameful. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization that carried out the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust and is still holding dozens of innocent people hostage, including Americans,” Blinken said.

It would be a miracle if Biden wins in 2024 after launching another political nuclear bomb against his voter base.
 

W20

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"It would be a miracle if Biden wins in 2024"

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Joe has fulfilled his role. And he will be replaced. The coalition in power, Permanent Washington, does not care who the mask of the empire is.

There was certainly a bit of a spat within the coalition in 2016 over the Ukrainian Gambit; but that is water under the bridge. Clearly there are sometimes arguments:

- first we attack Russia and then Persia.
-no, no, you are crazy first we must attack Persia and then Russia.

I mean there are nuances within the ruling coalition (1963/67-) in fact there are three groups: (1) those who hate Russia more than Persia and China (2) those who hate Persia more than Russia and China, and (3) those who hate China more than Russia and Persia.

And from these differences sometimes heated discussions arise.
 

pmc

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You gave a whole non answer to avoid answering the question of which standard and criteria that Saudi and the UAE doesn’t fit in as listed in the PDF.

The fact you mentioned that the Saudis didn’t apply to BRICS proves you never read the PDF. Procedure is the interested country communicate to BRICS there intention then BRICS will decide to invite and fully accpet said country.
I didnot want to write long paragraphs thats why i mentioned they were invited but why they were invited in first place thats my point. or you think BRICS can change Saudi establishment thinking that is totally revamped by MBS . France is delivering what they are expecting and what is important to them that why you get articles like Golden age of Saudi French cultural cooperation. The longer this Ukriane war continues the weaker Germany/Eastern EU the more important France becomes for Arabs and than Arabs i am sure will want to utilize French skills in managing Africa.
This completely contradicts what BRICS stands for as he is for strengthening US globally.
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Mohammed bin Salman: Yes, first of all we have something similar to this in the past 80 years. We are the largest buyer of the American arms industry, and I believe that Saudi Arabia is larger than the next five buyers who buy from America. Therefore, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia plays a decisive role in importing weapons economically, and we have many security and military relations that actually strengthen the position of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, as well as America’s position globally, especially in the Middle East, and it does not want that to be changed, nor does it want To see Saudi Arabia move to buy weapons from America elsewhere. This document will enhance America's interests, security interests, military interests, as well as economic interests, and it will also save effort and headache from the Saudi side in not turning to other places.
 

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If anyone wants to laugh at the IAF chief.
The only reason why India is the first customer of the Rafale is because France was desperate to get a customer for it. I remember reading about one defense expo in the Middle East where a US and Middle East defense official said the Rafale was having trouble finding a customer because it wasn't that great of a fighter. The only reason why India chose the Rafale was because the French were desperate and willing to give up more than any of the competition would to get Indians to buy.

How does a Rafale scare anyone? Was it ready to fire on J-20s in a non-war situation? So was it the Rafale over Chinese territory? If the J-20s were over Indian territory, wouldn't they have been whining about that? The last time India claimed there was an encounter they had with a J-20 was to claim it wasn't stealthy that their radars detected it. How did the know it was a J-20 because their radars detected it from across the border?
 

supercat

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This is so funny-not-funny given I grew up in the 80/90s in effectively the Third World/Developing nations.

Free Trade agreements by the US was very much the big stick that Uncle Sam went around swinging in our region. What was very clear even then, as a young man, with a basic academic primer in economics was
  • goods and services worldwide were dominated by western brands. There was very little our Third World economies could produce that could match western goods with their slick marketing.
  • FTAs were very much one way street. Opening our economies to have local brands displaced by theirs just for the chance to have our products have a chance to enter their markets. In the background, "Buy American" campaign in the US was a real thing and already in full swing.
  • Foreign brand forays into our region could tank loses while stealing market share, propped by profits in their own huge home market.
Basically, it was impossible for a lesser brand from a third world economy/market to "compete fairly" vs the economic juggernaut that was the American economy.

And yet, here we are ... the tables have finally turned.

There is now a player in the global economy more competitive and with the same ability to tank loses while grabbing offshore market share. Suddenly "Free Trade" isn't a pillar of global economy and human rights anymore. The hypocrisy is stunning (except I'm already blase due to having seen similar turnarounds on other pillars of western civilisation)
Here is your "free trade" and "rules based world order:

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It would be a miracle if Biden wins in 2024 after launching another political nuclear bomb against his voter base.
In stark contrast, this is how the US regime egged on the Putin warrant.

BTW, the warrant against the Zionists has reduced Lindsey Graham to a raging clown.

The gaslighting Western MSM treat their readers as imbeciles who can't observe and judge by themselves.
 

taxiya

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Even if they prove that Israel is behind it, they won't be able to do anything about it openly. Iran will have to resort to their own covert attacks with their proxies. Iran does not have the spy capability to perform assasinations inside Israel. This is a critical weakness that shows how loyal Israelis are compared Iranians who are easily swayed by money or by enticement of life in the US or something. Israel has been able to assasinate so many important people inside Iran but Iran has not been able give a single reply.
Israel does have the spy capability to perform assasination inside Israel itself.
How loyal Israelis are? They are easily sawyed by enticement of life in occupied Palistinian land,
for that they have been able to assasinate impartant person inside Israel, namely their own prime minister Yitzhak Rabin.

If it is not because of you I would not have brought in the assasination of Yitzhak Rabin into this because I very much respect him as a true statesman and a good Israeli.

BTW, you are a troll by propping up the idea of "Israel killed Raisi" without any shred of evidence, a typical tactic to shoot both sides to stir up a conflict.
 

_killuminati_

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Here is your "free trade" and "rules based world order:
I'm surprised they haven't targetted AliExpress and AliBaba. If the latter speeds up it's delivery time just a bit more, it can wipe out Amazon I'm sure, especially considering that ~70% of Amazon products are FBA (middlemen, third-party sellers) sourced directly from AliBaba, jacking up the price tenfolds. For example, several years ago, I was looking for work-related equipment that was going for ~$800/unit on Amazon + free two-day delivery. Then I found the same product on AliBaba (without the brand logo) for $45/unit + $15 for three-week delivery.

Get rid of the middleman = make bank and wipe out Amazon.

Israel does have the spy capability to perform assasination inside Israel itself.
How loyal Israelis are, they are easily sawyed by enticement of life in occupied Palistinian land,
and Israel has been able to assasinate impartant person inside Israel, namely their own prime minister Yitzhak Rabin.

BTW, you are a troll by propping up the idea of "Israel killed Raisi" without any shred of evidence, a typical tactic to shoot both sides to stir up a conflict.

P.S. I would not have brought in the assasination of Yitzhak Rabin into this if not because of you, because I very much respect him as a true statesman and a good Israeli.
Speaking of loyalty, people are forget or are unaware that there are 2 million Palestinian Arabs who are citizens of Israel and hostile against the country. These are residents of Israel, not Gaza or West Bank. So, spying inside Israel and assassinations aren't that difficult.
 

daifo

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I'm surprised they haven't targetted AliExpress and AliBaba. If the latter speeds up it's delivery time just a bit more, it can wipe out Amazon I'm sure, especially considering that ~70% of Amazon products are FBA (middlemen, third-party sellers) sourced directly from AliBaba, jacking up the price tenfolds. For example, several years ago, I was looking for work-related equipment that was going for ~$800/unit on Amazon + free two-day delivery. Then I found the same product on AliBaba (without the brand logo) for $45/unit + $15 for three-week delivery.

Get rid of the middleman = make bank and wipe out Amazon.

Easier to target Chinese SOE or private companies than international companies publicly traded and backed by Vanguard/Blackstone/western $$.
 
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