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Africablack said:

No, but if nothing will change and China has the same attitude as the west then no sense in China replacing the US. The Global South wants China to win but do not squander that goodwill because that's China's biggest soft power. Shed your ridiculous arrogance, China needs the world rather than the other way around. Remember that.

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look at the historical record. The Chinese world was stable and China recognized other known powers that were weaker as equals that were worthy of diplomacy: Java, Persia, Vietnam, Japan, Mongolia, Korea. Yes there were wars, but there was the recognition that they were civilized enough that they could be talked to. And from Mongolia to Java north to south, Persia to Japan in the east, that's a pretty big chunk of the world that Chinese have known about since the year 1000.

Contrast to the west where they did not keep any treaties signed with non-Europeans. How many treaties were broken between US and Native Americans, UK and France with Africans, etc? Well, pretty much all of them.

So yes there is a huge difference in end result, even if the attitude was the same (I do not accept that it is). Inferior to Chinese merely means you're treated as tributaries and vassals, inferior to the west means you are treated like talking animals - as the west actually treats animals, not as how they virtue signal they treat animals. The proof is in 200 years of colonialism and photos of slavery, genocide, hand cutting, etc. And the proof is that in China, there are ethnic groups that have been incorporated or conquered for 1000+ years and are still there while in Africa, 90% of local languages have been destroyed by English or French within 200 years.

Randomuser said:

I'm starting to think the global south doesn't actually want China to win with this attitude. What they really want is China to be just powerful enough so the west has less bargaining power and they can play off each other for maximum benefits. Kinda like what Vietnam is doing when you have two shopkeepers instead of one. Ultimately the status quo still stays but the terms are better. After all if China actually wins, then that mean China can afford to be more assertive for a country of its size and this is a huge no. Its supposed to be like Superman or whatever in a zero-sum game world where a lot of things are mutually exclusive which just isn't happening.

Btw superman can only do these things coz he just happens to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe. Which again comes from his might. If he had the same level of strength when he's next to that rock that makes him lose his powers but spouted the same thing, that would be considered arrogance.

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I'm starting to think China's rise is going to be another arrogance super power that wants "lesser countries" to pay it tribute and it's putting up an act acting like like it's championing the cause of the Global South by acting like it respects sovereignty of others and speaking out against the West's behavior. You see how dumb that sounds? We're not stupid, we know China is looking out for its interests and it's not doing anything for charity but we like the idea that we can look to a power that treats people with respect. We welcome that and we hold admiration. What we don't want is another arrogant power that wants us to pay it tribute because it has guns and a big economy (that the world fuels). Thankfully, most on this forum and indeed in real life don't hold these arrogant views so we'll keep hoping for a peaceful rise and a new order of respect.

If, however, China gets taken over by a new generation of leaders that aren't humble and feel entitled because they never saw struggle then its going to be in for a hard time. No country is that powerful that it doesn't need the world, if you think power is only about how big you think you are then you'll fuck around and find out. I'll say this again; do not take the goodwill China has built for granted. Nobody will "serve" China strictly because it's powerful. That's delusional.

Sardaukar20 said:

Remember that your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Not even to many of us here who are from the Global South. Your perception of the world is flawed, you jump to conclusions, your values are confused, and you reek of entitlement. You can so quickly switch preference between the East or West depending on your mood swings. Yet you're just a petty nobody whom no one can take seriously. You can rant all you like, the world couldn't care less to satisfy your ego.

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You're the one talking about the weak serving the strong and you're lecturing me about ego? LOL! I'm flabbergasted. What am I entitled to? I'm talking about respect and you're talking about everyone serving the new Chinese emperors. You're the one with the entitlement my man. China is rising but it's not quite there yet, it still has a uphill task and the west is busy trying to kneecap it so I don't know where the arrogance comes from. The west is already pissed off at China, its neighbors are weary but you think this arrogance isn't going to piss off the world? You think people are somehow beholden to China because its builds infrastructure? Young man, sit down. You're lucky your diplomats don't act like you, nobody is going to serve China or pay it tribute, sorry that era is finished. You can come at us with respect or go away. No more colonial attitude, China of all places should understands this.

Africablack said:

No, but if nothing will change and China has the same attitude as the west then no sense in China replacing the US. The Global South wants China to win but do not squander that goodwill because that's China's biggest soft power. Shed your ridiculous arrogance, China needs the world rather than the other way around. Remember that.

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Show me when global south's good will made China strong. Last time I checked history China rised under diplomatic isolation until it became mighty.

Africablack said:

I'm starting to think China's rise is going to be another arrogance super power that wants "lesser countries" to pay it tribute and it's putting up an act acting like like it's championing the cause of the Global South by acting like it respects sovereignty of others and speaking out against the West's behavior. You see how dumb that sounds? We're not stupid, we know China is looking out for its interests and it's not doing anything for charity but we like the idea that we can look to a power that treats people with respect. We welcome that and we hold admiration. What we don't want is another arrogant power that wants us to pay it tribute because it has guns and a big economy (that the world fuels). Thankfully, most on this forum and indeed in real life don't hold these arrogant views so we'll keep hoping for a peaceful rise and a new order of respect.

If, however, China gets taken over by a new generation of leaders that aren't humble and feel entitled because they never saw struggle then its going to be in for a hard time. No country is that powerful that it doesn't need the world, if you think power is only about how big you think you are then you'll fuck around and find out. I'll say this again; do not take the goodwill China has built for granted. Nobody will "serve" China strictly because it's powerful. That's delusional.

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If global south were to act like you then it would become a self fulfiling prophecy.

Africa would be poorer if not for China's help. But if China were to be evil and side with imperialists, Africa would still be colonized. As such, it would be up to global south to continue encourage China do what it does, instead of take the easy path to help imperialists. The imperialists has a lot to offer to China too you know.

TK3600 said:

Show me when global south's good will made China strong. Last time I checked history China rised under diplomatic isolation until it became mighty.

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That's not what I said. You think China got rich by itself? You think China is producing goods solely from materials it sources from its soil? How many Chinese workers are paid building infrastructure outside China's borders? Who is China selling it's goods too? Again, China has done well but China needs the world.

TK3600 said:

If global south were to act like you then it would become a self fulfiling prophecy.

Africa would be poorer if not for China's help. But if China were to be evil and side with imperialists, Africa would still be colonized. As such, it would be up to global south to continue encourage China do what it does, instead of take the easy path to help imperialists. The imperialists has a lot to offer to China too you know.

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Well China would be poorer if not for the west's help. If China were to side with the imperialists then it would be a junior partner because they won't accept a peer but China is free to be a junior partner to the west if it wants, we don't dictate to others and we don't expect anything from others, we're not an arrogant people we are a welcoming people, all and we just want respect, that's all. We're not interested in serving anyone.

FairAndUnbiased said:

look at the historical record. The Chinese world was stable and China recognized other known powers that were weaker as equals that were worthy of diplomacy: Java, Persia, Vietnam, Japan, Mongolia, Korea. Yes there were wars, but there was the recognition that they were civilized enough that they could be talked to. And from Mongolia to Java north to south, Persia to Japan in the east, that's a pretty big chunk of the world that Chinese have known about since the year 1000.

Contrast to the west where they did not keep any treaties signed with non-Europeans. How many treaties were broken between US and Native Americans, UK and France with Africans, etc? Well, pretty much all of them.

So yes there is a huge difference in end result, even if the attitude was the same (I do not accept that it is). Inferior to Chinese merely means you're treated as tributaries and vassals, inferior to the west means you are treated like talking animals - as the west actually treats animals, not as how they virtue signal they treat animals. The proof is in 200 years of colonialism and photos of slavery, genocide, hand cutting, etc. And the proof is that in China, there are ethnic groups that have been incorporated or conquered for 1000+ years and are still there while in Africa, 90% of local languages have been destroyed by English or French within 200 years.

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I'm familiar with what the west does, we're like you; we were at the receiving end of their brutality. China does well to avoid this, fair play. However, I'm talking about a few here who are adopting the wrong attitude. We don't want to meet the new boss who is the same as the old boss, we've had enough of serving. Nobody wants to be a tributary, vassal, or a colony. That time has passed, it's time to treat others with respect, strengthen ties and conduct win-win business deals, everybody goes home happier. This nonsense about the weak serving the strong is dangerous and doesn't do China or anyone any favors.

Santamaria said:

To be fair the global south has basically done NOTHING to get rid of US and European imperialism.
To buy Russian petrol on discount and make a good business out of it hardly count as fight imperialism.

The only countries have done something to fight the western imperialism are the next.

Honorary place would for the extinct Soviet Union. And after it

First and foremost Iran and North Korea.
Second honorably place Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba, Siria and defunct Lybia.
Third Russia (and Belarus) Russia started late but to be fair has bleed more than nobody to fight western imperialism.
Fourth. China, without Chinese technological developments the world would be a hostage of the western technology. Only China made possible to visualise a modern world without the west.
Then you have some African countries that fought against French imperialism but nothing outside there.

The global south in general are just a bunch of talkers, who demand a lot, don’t help in anything and many times end serving the US.
Just look at India, Brazil with Bolsonaro, Argentina, Chile, Arabs countries, Egypt…

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I dont expect you to know thousands year of Arab history but atleast look carefully at things that are right in front you for things that really counts in post 1991 world when US really become sole SuperPower and it was Arabs and there alliance with Israel that really made things worse. who do you think is Iran largest trading partner to keep that system afloat including access to Western products and tech?. Houthis are Arabs and so does Omani and that Iraqi Army that melt into ISIS and fought US and all the rest of Afghans that follow Arabic ideology.

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Yemeni blacksmiths beat shrapnel into daggers​

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When you see this kind of headline. What comes to your mind?. Go back to Toyota history from 1950s and why it is so important for society to have reliable automobiles when conditions are harsh. otherwise the whole country will turn into workshops and no labor left for anything else.

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Americans value the Toyota Land Cruiser no less than Russians. A 26-year-old Toyota Land Cruiser 80 with a mileage of 95 thousand km was sold in the USA for 93.5 thousand dollars​

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This is how Putin met former head of Tatarstan that retired 15 years ago and close to 90 years age and Putin wants Tu-160 after his name. there is alot behind it but what you see the world most effective Airforce is Tatarstan. and that goes from using Tu-214R in Syrian experience to transform into something else. that is Russian engineering not the left over A-50 from Soviets.
and yes Putin used word Pig to describe some things in front of followers of Arabic ideology a few years before Ukraine. and its Arab financial system, Arab ideology and Arab aviation that keep Russia in this fight. certain things are visible like you can see in this girl cloths but it is invisible part that is much larger that is ensuring Russia is de westernized in mindset.

Africablack said:

No, but if nothing will change and China has the same attitude as the west then no sense in China replacing the US. The Global South wants China to win but do not squander that goodwill because that's China's biggest soft power. Shed your ridiculous arrogance, China needs the world rather than the other way around. Remember that.

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Where was your Global South when China was under attack in the 1950's during the Korean War? The cold war vs Soviet Union/U.S. and her vassals? Lol your demand is so cringe inducing that it starts to come off like a tantrum from a person with a myopic view of the world; and that sees the world first and foremost through the lense of western lense. As if to say and validate the west claims that as horrid as colonization was to the world; it was a necessary evil to bring forth civilization and order to an otherwise chaotic and uncivilized barbaric world. Your pedantic lecturing on China must do this or that or else I am interpreting as that China must act in accordance to the idealized values of the west otherwise your assumptions of China = barbarian horde is justified.