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supersnoop

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azn_cyniq said:
Actually, only 40% voted for the DPP. I don't know if Petrolicious88 is Taiwanese, but I am and I'm not surprised by the result of the election. As China becomes more prosperous relative to Taiwan, more and more people will become pro-China. I have family members and friends in Taiwan and the United States who used to be ardently pro-independence but now many of them are open to the possibility of closer ties with China. Why? Most of them say that they are impressed by the PRC's technological achievements and ironically, the younger ones say that they are increasingly interested in Chinese popular culture (Douyin, dramas, music, etc.) Basically, what I've seen with my own eyes is largely consistent with the results of yesterday's election (declining support for the DPP, especially among young people).

That said, this is a victory for the pro-US camp but statements like "Taiwan is already gone. There’s zero soft power to win back Taiwan" are inconsistent with reality, in my opinion.
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I am not Taiwanese, but what I see from HK, a lot of pro-China people simply just move to mainland China. Logically, if the people believe the mainland is full of opportunities and you are in a position to take advantage, you’d go. Liang Ming Soong went and recruited many of his TSMC colleagues. SZ

There are tens of thousands of Taiwanese in SZ alone. I believe the formally known number in all of mainland China is something like at least 300,000, and I think a significant number in HK as well.

In any case, it is a number that the DPP believes is unfavourable.

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See my previous post, that it's normal for any leading party in the so-called democracies to always perform worse on the following elections.

People simply get bored and vote someone else because they can. That system is made to be very cyclical in nature.

I live beside the EU, and I understand this system very well. What occurred in these Taiwanese elections is very rare. They should've already been out if we follow the norms.

It's incredibly successful for a leading party to repeat 3 election cycles, and still hold 7% lead (as of my knowledge, even impossible).

In reality, DPP should've made a much worse result than this.

It shows that either people are very in line with their policies, or the US has a very strong grip on this country's political system, to be this firm.
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Actually DPP lost the majority in the legislature so essentially you have a lame duck president.
 
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azn_cyniq said:
China shouldn't use military force unless it is absolutely necessary. It is one thing to hate a country because the media tells you to, and it is another thing to hate a country because people from that country killed your friends and family members. This kind of hate drives people to do seemingly incomprehensible things such as fly a commercial airliner into the World Trade Center or book a one-way trip to Mumbai with the intent of killing as many people as possible. There is a reason why many people in the world hate Americans and Israelis to a degree that is almost incomprehensible to us.
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But China is a peaceful and humane nation, it wouldn't bomb every living being there like Israel does in Gaza, or what the US did to a similar extent in some of their wars in the Middle East.

At most, if it comes to military action, China would enforce a blockade, or destroy some critical infrastructure. Taiwan would probably surrender quickly without many casualties on both sides.

To be honest, the most damage that can come to Taiwan is from the US side if they employ the so-called "scorched earth strategy" they openly advertised already. But such is the fate of all their vassals.

The problem with your thinking also is that it's clear as a day that only some kind of divine intervention or tangible military action can remove the toxic DPP from power in Taiwan.

This election showed us everything, 12 years secured and still going strong. As to why it's a problem for DPP to remain in power? You will see in the coming days, now that the DPP secured their victory, the provocations against China will intensify many times over, and break all time highs.
 
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supersnoop said:
Actually DPP lost the majority in the legislature so essentially you have a lame duck president.
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That's true, but the president-led executive branch still holds a myriad of options for provocations if they wanted.

The legislative branch is more so that new laws can't be passed, but within the already established framework, there are many options from which the DPP can choose from to increase their provocations against mainland China under the order of the US.

The president approves the premier without legislative approval, and he then in turn appoints government ministries.

So, within the already established laws, and nature of their positions, DPP still can comfortably continue to escalate.
 
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supersnoop said:
I am not Taiwanese, but what I see from HK, a lot of pro-China people simply just move to mainland China. Logically, if the people believe the mainland is full of opportunities and you are in a position to take advantage, you’d go. Liang Ming Soong went and recruited many of his TSMC colleagues. SZ

There are tens of thousands of Taiwanese in SZ alone. I believe the formally known number in all of mainland China is something like at least 300,000, and I think a significant number in HK as well.

In any case, it is a number that the DPP believes is unfavourable.

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Actually DPP lost the majority in the legislature so essentially you have a lame duck president.
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This.

In the lead up to a foreign attack on Taiwan or even Beijing's unilateral change of plans to use the military and smash the KMT, one would assume that almost all loyal Taiwanese would simply hide in the mainland, where they can't be touched.

In almost all scenarios, there will be an obvious lead up, followed by even more obvious warnings from Beijing for people to evacuate a military zone.
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But China is a peaceful and humane nation, it wouldn't bomb every living being there like Israel does in Gaza, or what the US did to a similar extent in some of their wars in the Middle East.
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Because of the above, they actually can. Knowing that the ones worth saving will be 99% out of the way.

If ROC becomes a collaborator republic spearheading the invasion of China, they will be seen and fought as if they were the successor of the Wang Jingwei Republic.

It will be an all hands on deck, life or death, it's either us or them, situation for China.
 
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azn_cyniq

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supersnoop said:
I am not Taiwanese, but what I see from HK, a lot of pro-China people simply just move to mainland China. Logically, if the people believe the mainland is full of opportunities and you are in a position to take advantage, you’d go. Liang Ming Soong went and recruited many of his TSMC colleagues. SZ

There are tens of thousands of Taiwanese in SZ alone. I believe the formally known number in all of mainland China is something like at least 300,000, and I think a significant number in HK as well.

In any case, it is a number that the DPP believes is unfavourable.

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Actually DPP lost the majority in the legislature so essentially you have a lame duck president.
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The situation in Taiwan is similar. Many capable Taiwanese people, including a couple of people in my family, go to the mainland to work. As long as Taiwanese people use Chinese (Mandarin, Hokkien, etc.) we will always feel a deep connection to our homeland on the mainland because we can almost effortlessly assimilate into mainland Chinese society and enjoy Chinese content. It's just that simple. Obviously, we share the same blood, but at the end of the day it's the Chinese language that binds us together. Taiwan can only become truly "independent" by completely abandoning the Chinese language, which is definitely not going to happen.

This is why there is some distance between Thai-Chinese people and other Chinese people. Most Thai-Chinese people no longer use the Chinese language, so although they share the same blood and look like us, they are essentially foreigners to us.
 
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ansy1968

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To be rational you will be respected, to be irrational you will be feared.

I'm not a Taiwanese but I'm Chinese, so we share the same trait and values. Westerners are forcing their values onto us and want it to be the norm, will it succeed?

Well I believed in the concept of family, whatever happens the prodigal son will soon return and made amends cause he/she knows their kins are rational people and respect is earned.

Will the same be true when an acquaintance barge through your life and control you? The fear is there cause your alone.

So I feel there is hope for the Taiwanese cause they know China will never abandoned them especially now as their loyalty and trust are being toyed with.
 
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This is just a reminder that soft power comes only from hard power, not from commercial relationships.

Japan has been stagnant for 30 years and remains a faithful lackey of the US and will not change as long as the hard power of the US is unquestioned.

The world today sees the US killing Houthis, Iranians and Russians unpunished but no one is killing Americans.

If China wants to see its red lines respected, China will have to prepare to kill and punish militarily anyone who crosses them.

Nothing comes from nothing, so only fools can wait for global power to come from heaven without doing anything, just looking and waiting. China needs to build the strongest military force to be treated as the strongest country.
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This Soft Power and Hard Power always comes up and people still not understanding. what kind of Hard Power Saudis have without Trump? even he was not really in power. start looking at Africa where French have to leave but Americans stayed around. or Arabs using Israeli Software to spy on Europeans. All those refugees dump on Europe and Turkey. or that F-16E in Scotra island but not Mirages.
The point i am making is Western Europe has lost Soft Power and when you lose Soft Power than Arabs knows how to kick you around from behind. while US still has Trump like elites.
this Hungarian FM knows what language to use to gain respect of Gulf Arabs. he is portraying Hungary as opposite some one else and this country often vote with Israel.
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Szijjártó added: “I would ask you to avoid the atmosphere of bargaining and bazaars. The conversation is not about bargaining
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Biscuits said:
Isn't that actual proof of them being able to manipulate/tamper it however they want lmfao

They do that shouting the result thing in NK as well. There's a reason any serious election is held with encrypted software...

Either way, China should keep engaging and asking anti government forces to disperse, making it clear that it is the responsibility of whoever they consider a leader to ensure there is no bloodshed inside the country.

There has been more threats of escalation against Beijing in the last few years, in light of that, it would be positive if lawmakers in China can formulate new laws and roadmaps on the defense of the country's east, such as the earlier anti secession law, but with greater detail and concrete dates, so as to show the public that the government is working and putting tax money to use at ensuring security.
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I don't get why they don't use crypto/blockchain for this just use something like voter ID to get a vote token and send the token to the person you want to vote on. The party with the most tokens wins.. Just keep the blockchain ledger public so its transparent. It might be more or a bit less private but yolo at least you can't tamper and cheat with it.
 
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Suez Canal tolls rise by 300% – Sky News​

The cost of transporting cargo through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, a major waterway for global shipping, have surged over 300% since November, amid Houthi attacks on commercial vessels thought to be Israel-linked, Sky News reported on Friday, citing data analyzed by global logistics company DSV.

The Shanghai Containerized Freight Index (SCFI), the most commonly used measure of such costs, reached $3,101 per 20-foot container from $2,871 last Friday. The data shows that the overall price of a container being shipped from Shanghai to Europe was reportedly 310% up from prices at the beginning of November.

The Houthis, who have pledged to support Gaza amid fighting in the enclave between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas, have since mid-October launched multiple drones and missiles targeting commercial vessels in the Red Sea, as well as warships patrolling the vital channel. They have carried out more than two dozen attacks, forcing major freight giants like MSC, Maersk, CMA CGM and Hapag-Lloyd, to divert cargo around the southern tip of Africa, avoiding the Gulf of Aden and the Suez Canal.


This rerouting adds more than ten extra days to the journey and sends insurance bills surging. At the same time, the cost of staff wages has increased, while longer journeys also force the transportation companies to burn additional fuel.

Despite the major increases, shipping costs remain below levels recorded in March 2021 when the grounded 400-meter-long Ever Given container ship blocked the Suez Canal, leaving the crucial trade route impassable for six days. That incident left hundreds of ships stuck in mooring and reportedly held up $9 billion of global trade for each day of stoppage.

Earlier this week, the US and UK began carrying out airstrikes on Houthi militias in Yemen in response to the group’s actions in the Red Sea and the Gulf. The move has garnered mixed international reactions, with many warning that it would lead to escalation of conflict in the Middle East.
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The data shows that the overall price of a container being shipped from Shanghai to Europe was reportedly 310% up from prices at the beginning of November.
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