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Colonel
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How easy for you to forget that NK having nukes will justify SK and Japan to have nukes. How could that be cheaper? Do you forget that US killed Taiwan's nuclear program, shouldn't that be a cheaper choice to counter mainland China? Or it was too risky and US would loose any value (leverage to control) to Taiwan?
Because China would just bomb the attempts to create nuclear terrorism if America didn't cease them. And then US would either look very weak for being bombed without opposition, or go to war which they didn't dare to do.

US is much more careful than they themselves claim and most people think they are. They didn't dare to invade China even when China basically only had army strength, df16s and nukes. They don't dare to attack Iran right now, despite (relative to time period) Iran being even worse armed than 1990s China and Iran not having nukes.

SK and Japan building nukes, especially the latter, would flat out not be allowed, under the same justifications that made China create North Korea (remember, the original goal was to take all of the peninsula in order to prevent hostile nukes ). And I think this is an agreement even America abides by and helps enforce due to the threat of war. If America didn't stop these 2 countries, there's no way they couldn't make a nuke when even India could entirely by itself, despite those being shitty nukes.

SK and Japan are vulnerable to being starved in a war. Having the very beginnings of a nuclear program wouldn't save them from that.

To deter war, they would need an advanced program with MIRV and thermonuclears in sufficient numbers, but without massive aid from a world class nuclear program like in NK's case, or the country itself being a superpower that has massive resources like what the big 3 have, SK and Japan's nuclearization will resemble far more Pakistan's and India's.

That would give more than a decade's time where they're stuck with small numbers of Hiroshima level devices. The only way China would allow that to progress without nipping it in the bud would be if SK and Japan commits to full neutrality and mutual security guarantees. Even if China can be placated by some type of concession, NK won't, because they staked their whole nation on being able to militarily unify the south. So NK itself might covertly stir up an excuse to get China involved.

It is far less risky for SK and Japan to play both sides and avoid war.

The idea that it would be proportionate for SK and Japan to build nukes because NK did it is moot. International relations aren't fair one on one trades. America already had it's response to Chinese nuclearization of NK, they did sanctions and started AUKUS. And even just AUKUS elicited a strong reaction from China, despite the idea that a completely US controlled colony as far away from China as the Middle East is would get hand me down 093 equivalents in a decade, when far more powerful US subs are already posted permanently in the same bases.

So any nuclearization in Asia proper would be an insane escalation which would almost be on par with immediately declaring war.
 
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coolgod

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What is more violent, the "2023 Russian Civil War" or annual French "protest"?

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This is why Prigozhin had to march his military and why the Russian government had to dig up some roads. Anything less and the world wouldn't even believe it is a protest.

Macron, who you gonna call?
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Fatty

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What is more violent, the "2023 Russian Civil War" or annual French "protest"?

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This is why Prigozhin had to march his military and why the Russian government had to dig up some roads. Anything less and the world wouldn't even believe it is a protest.

Macron, who you gonna call?
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Fedupwithlies

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What is more violent, the "2023 Russian Civil War" or annual French "protest"?

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This is why Prigozhin had to march his military and why the Russian government had to dig up some roads. Anything less and the world wouldn't even believe it is a protest.

Macron, who you gonna call?
What are the odds the protests are being instigated by the US as punishment for Macron trying to pull away from the US influence? Macron going to China, wanting to go to the BRICs conference, French companies using Yuan to buy things?

Its disproportionate retribution but that's exactly the western mindset: put one toe out of line and its execution for you!
 
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