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coolgod

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The global situation is, by now, pretty transparent.

First, the war in Europe. It's important to realize that what's happening there is that a large fraction of Russian military power is being tied down by a smaller fraction of Western military power via the proxy of Ukraine. Despite all of mainstream media wanting you to believe otherwise, Ukraine post-invasion is practically a failed state. Its economy has collapsed and so much of its man power have either fled the country or been pressed into the trenches that without Western aid, they'd crumble in a few months. But they're still fighting because NATO is pushing them on.

Second, US leadership, having successfully tied down Russia, is preparing to direct the bulk of its resources against China - the actual threat from the perspective of US hegemony. Similar to Ukraine, it is attempting to do this through setting the stage in Asia for a proxy conflict. The proxies of choices are Taiwan, Philippines, Japan, and potentially South Korea. The US intends to bleed China with these proxies on the front lines, and all of them have unfortunately been infiltrated sufficiently by Western media and institutions and ideologies, that they'd actually be willing to go for it.

Third, not satisfied with the chances, the US hopes to create a second front against China with India, but the Indians are most likely not going to bite unless and until China is on the verge of defeat. Then the Indians, opportunistic as they always are, will happily join the war at the last minute to grab Chinese territory and "free Tibet."

This is the sort of scenario that Xi is likely referring to when he's telling the government to prepare for the worst. The US will happily stay on the back lines - as it has in Ukraine - while Asians kill each other. It's the perfect recipe for preserving US hegemony as you're bleeding both your strongest rivals and your strongest allies, simultaneously. This was effectively the US strategy in World War 2, as even though it lost troops, its homeland was never remotely threatened and that made the difference when it emerged from the war more powerful than ever.

Unfortunately, the US's Asian vassals have been so compromised that they actually believe dying for Western hegemony. Against such dangerous delusions, China's best options can only be to not take the bait. If you allow yourself to be dragged into a war vs. the US's Asian proxies, the only possible winner is the US. To avoid that outcome, China should be patient and focus on self-strengthening - correcting the atrocious demographics, fixing the youth unemployment, catching up in areas like chips, etc. The goal in that respect is to expand the time horizon, reach better technological parity, and wait for the US to slip up, as inevitably it will.

Taiwan, at the end of the day, isn't going any where, and as much as Xi would like to be the leader that solved the Taiwan problem, taking the fight before you're ready is worse than living to fight another way.
Xi's speech is bigger than the Taiwan question, its obvious he's alluding to (cold/hot) war with the west.

US will keep on testing China's red lines, eventually China has to respond to keep its credibility. If China has to get into a war with US and its proxies, why should it be on Chinese soil (Taiwan)? China has a say in the battlefield of choice.
 
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jwnz

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If China has to get into a war with US and its proxies, why should it be on Chinese soil (Taiwan)? China has a say in the battlefield of choice. Xi's speech is bigger than the Taiwan question, its obvious he's alluding to war with the west.
The US has global reach through military bases all around the world and CSGs. China currently has very limited global reach. As Eventine has said, there's no benefit to take the bait when victory isn't a high probability. I dare to say even if Taiwan declares independence, China should not start AR straight away. Yes, time is on our side. The only absolute redline IMO is if the US deploys nuclear weapons in Taiwan, then all bets are off.

As for credibility, it isn't worth potentially losing a war, or even when winning it, the loss of lives would still be huge, plus the material loss in destroyed infrastructure.

The best weapon against the US is still an economic one, which China is doing a great job currently.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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The US has global reach through military bases all around the world and CSGs. China currently has very limited global reach. As Eventine has said, there's no benefit to take the bait when victory isn't a high probability. I dare to say even if Taiwan declares independence, China should not start AR straight away. Yes, time is on our side. The only absolute redline IMO is if the US deploys nuclear weapons in Taiwan, then all bets are off.
firepower strikes on their military infrastructure is OK and very low risk, since they don't have the capability to strike back effectively. just don't commit field forces that are vulnerable to being hit back.
 

bajingan

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The global situation is, by now, pretty transparent.

First, the war in Europe. It's important to realize that what's happening there is that a large fraction of Russian military power is being tied down by a smaller fraction of Western military power via the proxy of Ukraine. Despite all of mainstream media wanting you to believe otherwise, Ukraine post-invasion is practically a failed state. Its economy has collapsed and so much of its man power have either fled the country or been pressed into the trenches that without Western aid, they'd crumble in a few months. But they're still fighting because NATO is pushing them on.

Second, US leadership, having successfully tied down Russia, is preparing to direct the bulk of its resources against China - the actual threat from the perspective of US hegemony. Similar to Ukraine, it is attempting to do this through setting the stage in Asia for a proxy conflict. The proxies of choices are Taiwan, Philippines, Japan, and potentially South Korea. The US intends to bleed China with these proxies on the front lines, and all of them have unfortunately been infiltrated sufficiently by Western media and institutions and ideologies, that they'd actually be willing to go for it.

Third, not satisfied with the chances, the US hopes to create a second front against China with India, but the Indians are most likely not going to bite unless and until China is on the verge of defeat. Then the Indians, opportunistic as they always are, will happily join the war at the last minute to grab Chinese territory and "free Tibet."

This is the sort of scenario that Xi is likely referring to when he's telling the government to prepare for the worst. The US will happily stay on the back lines - as it has in Ukraine - while Asians kill each other. It's the perfect recipe for preserving US hegemony as you're bleeding both your strongest rivals and your strongest allies, simultaneously. This was effectively the US strategy in World War 2, as even though it lost troops, its homeland was never remotely threatened and that made the difference when it emerged from the war more powerful than ever.

Unfortunately, the US's Asian vassals have been so compromised that they actually believe in dying for Western hegemony. Against such dangerous delusions, China's best options can only be to not take the bait. If you allow yourself to be dragged into a war vs. the US's Asian proxies, the only possible winner is the US. To avoid that outcome, China should be patient and focus on self-strengthening - correcting the atrocious demographics, fixing the youth unemployment, catching up in areas like chips, etc. The goal in that respect is to expand the time horizon, reach better technological parity, and wait for the US to slip up, as inevitably it will.

Taiwan, at the end of the day, isn't going any where, and as much as Xi would like to be the leader that solved the Taiwan problem, taking the fight before you're ready is worse than living to fight another day.
Its not that easy for the US to focus on China, being a hegemon means the US has military commitments elsewhere not just in Asia, what if "suddenly" (with Chinese help) Iran developed nuclear weapons?

wouldn't that provoke Israel to bomb Iran in desperation? which invites massive Iranian retalation which in turn ignite full blown war between them, and if Israel got clobbered hard which is quite possible, given how strong jewish lobby in washington the US will have no choice but to intervene on behalf if Israel, and the US end up yet again mired in another middle east quagmire, in my opinion i don't think China will just passively waiting for the US to marshall and mobililize all of her resources and vassals uncontested
 

jwnz

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Its not that easy for the US to focus on China, being a hegemon means the US has military commitments elsewhere not just in Asia, what if "suddenly" (with Chinese help) Iran developed nuclear weapons?

wouldn't that provoke Israel to bomb Iran in desperation? which invites massive Iranian retalation which in turn ignite full blown war between them, and if Israel got clobbered hard which is quite possible, given how strong jewish lobby in washington the US will have no choice but to intervene on behalf if Israel, and the US end up yet again mired in another middle east quagmire, in my opinion i don't think China will just passively waiting for the US to marshall and mobililize all of her resources and vassals uncontested
In your Israel starting a war with Iran scenario, that could kick start WW3 as a result.
 

BoraTas

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MSS has infiltrated DeSantis' canpaign. Imagine this comrade getting an official position if he wins lmao
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Also lol at Colby, he is a hack
DeSantis is a smart and opportunistic politician. He knows anti-China rhetoric is the only thing that keeps US politics together. It is impossible for someone like him to not capitalise on this. He is also an evangelist so I wouldn't be surprised if he personally dislikes China too.
 

bajingan

Senior Member
Kick starting WW3...
Well i do believe war in taiwan strait can quite possibly start WW3 as well, especially if the US loses, the temptation to use tactial nukes can be too hard too resist, better in middle east where both Iran (in the future) and Israel have limited number of nukes

To add, i do believe Iran will have nukes in the future regardless of Chinese involvement or not, so its just a matter of time basically
 
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ansy1968

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The US has global reach through military bases all around the world and CSGs. China currently has very limited global reach. As Eventine has said, there's no benefit to take the bait when victory isn't a high probability. I dare to say even if Taiwan declares independence, China should not start AR straight away. Yes, time is on our side. The only absolute redline IMO is if the US deploys nuclear weapons in Taiwan, then all bets are off.

As for credibility, it isn't worth potentially losing a war, or even when winning it, the loss of lives would still be huge, plus the material loss in destroyed infrastructure.

The best weapon against the US is still an economic one, which China is doing a great job currently.
Global reach means Imperial over reach. (the US maybe confronted with a 3 front war)


While China maintain an Escalatory Dominance in Asia.

American Vassals want US protection rather than participate an Arm race with China

An arm race is beneficial for China

So why would the American Vassals especial SK and Japan want that. With Chinese cumulative comprehensive power growing due to the collective west adversarial attitude they know that the US STRATEGY is bound for failure, so they're hedging as well to stay relevant.
 
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jwnz

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Once China starts taking market share from European shipbuilders, how long do you think it would take the US or EU to start sanctioning Chinese shipyards for national security reasons... LOL.
 
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