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FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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"Days at most" for the entire force? That seems ridiculous, but I have been wondering how long is needed. Observing the Russian buildup, and taking into account the amphibious context, I was guessing that at least 3-4 weeks would be needed from the day the decision is made, before all forces are ready in Fujian, even if they were trying to mobilize as quickly as possible. The exception might be if maybe there were preceding signs of independence or something so they prepositioned a portion already, then perhaps just assembling the rest and getting the fleet into position wouldn't take quite as long.
Forces in Fujian are already prepositioned and forces in Guangdong and Zhejiang are a few days away at the most. I wouldn't be surprised if ammo and nonperishable food is already stockpiled. Wheeled vehicles like logistics trucks, artillery, rockets and SAMs can drive on existing highways at highway speed (~100 km/hr). They can go from Guangdong and Zhejiang to staging areas in Fujian within a day and organize/load pallets of cargo within 2-3 days. People and light cargo can travel on civilian high speed rail specialty cars.

There's a reason why PLA buys much more wheeled versions of armored vehicles like IFV (ZBL-08), artillery (PLL-05, PLL-09) and rocket launchers (WS) than US or Russia which prefer mostly tracked vehicles. Unlike US and Russia where there is a huge need for tracked vehicles (since US is going to fight in 3rd world countries with shit infrastructure and Russia has snow/ice/mud that make wheels useless), China uses wheeled armored vehicles for rapid deployment on domestic highways. Tracked vehicles have a hard time traveling for long distances on highway and usually must be transported by rail, with the limiting step being loading and unloading at rail yards, driving to staging areas, then driving to the battlefield. Wheeled vehicles just drive on highways.

I envision the ground mobilization consisting of 1.) immediately activating garrisons of prepositioned units with tracked vehicles and prepositioned ammo/food 2.) shipping operational personnel for tracked vehicles and infantry by high speed train within hours 3.) wheeled vehicles drive themselves at highway speed within 1 days driving distance (~1000 km) 4.) further tracked vehicles shipped from inland within a few days 5.) followup ammo, food and supplies head for Fujian within 1 week.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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Looks like Turkey invaded Iraq.
Of course they will cut Turkey out of SWIFT and freeze their foreign reserves right. Right?

Nothing new for these guys. They did the same thing in Syria. I think Turkey decided they could hit Iraqi Kurdistan after Iran lobbed missiles into allegedly Israeli facilities in Iraqi Kurdistan right next to US consulate there and the US didn't even bat an eye. So the Turks probably figured out the Kurds were fair game. So in they go. Ergodan's been trying to revive the Ottoman Empire for quite a long time already.
 

clockwork

Junior Member
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Forces in Fujian are already prepositioned and forces in Guangdong and Zhejiang are a few days away at the most. I wouldn't be surprised if ammo and nonperishable food is already stockpiled. Wheeled vehicles like logistics trucks, artillery, rockets and SAMs can drive on existing highways at highway speed (~100 km/hr). They can go from Guangdong and Zhejiang to staging areas in Fujian within a day and organize/load pallets of cargo within 2-3 days. People and light cargo can travel on civilian high speed rail specialty cars.

There's a reason why PLA buys much more wheeled versions of armored vehicles like IFV (ZBL-08), artillery (PLL-05, PLL-09) and rocket launchers (WS) than US or Russia which prefer mostly tracked vehicles. Unlike US and Russia where there is a huge need for tracked vehicles (since US is going to fight in 3rd world countries with shit infrastructure and Russia has snow/ice/mud that make wheels useless), China uses wheeled armored vehicles for rapid deployment on domestic highways. Tracked vehicles have a hard time traveling for long distances on highway and usually must be transported by rail, with the limiting step being loading and unloading at rail yards, driving to staging areas, then driving to the battlefield. Wheeled vehicles just drive on highways.

I envision the ground mobilization consisting of 1.) immediately activating garrisons of prepositioned units with tracked vehicles and prepositioned ammo/food 2.) shipping operational personnel for tracked vehicles and infantry by high speed train within hours 3.) wheeled vehicles drive themselves at highway speed within 1 days driving distance (~1000 km) 4.) further tracked vehicles shipped from inland within a few days 5.) followup ammo, food and supplies head for Fujian within 1 week.
What about the amphibious and naval portion? A ridiculous number of boats are needed to ship everything across. I agree the land portion will be significantly faster than the Russian buildup due to a combination of forces being based closer, the country being smaller, and better transport infrastructure. Also the Russians probably weren't trying to go as fast as possible.

IIRC on D-Day they also had to select a very narrow suitable window due to weather, tides and even the phase of the moon or some crap.
 

emblem21

Major
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Of course they will cut Turkey out of SWIFT and freeze their foreign reserves right. Right?

Nothing new for these guys. They did the same thing in Syria. I think Turkey decided they could hit Iraqi Kurdistan after Iran lobbed missiles into allegedly Israeli facilities in Iraqi Kurdistan right next to US consulate there and the US didn't even bat an eye. So the Turks probably figured out the Kurds were fair game. So in they go. Ergodan's been trying to revive the Ottoman Empire for quite a long time already.
Which means that this will ultimately become one more problem for NATO and the collective west to solve. Turkeys economy is in the dumps so really, if NATO or the USA cannot benefit or help them in any way, and I mean the USA is trying to invoke regime change in Turkey as per Boltons direction, I suspect that while Russia is busy against the EU and the USA, provided that Turkey isn’t going after anything that is of real interest to Russia or China that could provoke a massive response, well come on, Turkey picked a good time and with The EU and the USA low on weapons and real resolve to confront yet another crisis, who is going to really stop Turkey right now. Really who ever was pushing the crisis in Ukraine should has saw this one coming. In a way, this will further screw up the oil/gas flows to Europe in the long term so hey ‘let’s go Brandon’ let’s see him try to fix this predicament
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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What about the amphibious and naval portion? A ridiculous number of boats are needed to ship everything across. I agree the land portion will be significantly faster than the Russian buildup due to a combination of forces being based closer, the country being smaller, and better transport infrastructure. Also the Russians probably weren't trying to go as fast as possible.

IIRC on D-Day they also had to select a very narrow window due to weather, tides and even the phase of the moon or some crap.
Naval portion isn't limited at all. PLAN is neither sitting in port doing nothing nor far flung in all parts of the world - again, unlike US and Russia who have global responsibilities (one by virtue of having its hand everywhere, the other by literally being globe spanning domestically with 3 disconnected oceans to manage). PLAN is mostly on local patrol. Distance from Yellow Sea to Taiwan Strait is ~1000 km. You can redeploy a ship at sea from Northern Fleet to Taiwan Strait within 2 days at cruise speed of ~40 kph (20 knots). Let's say a ship is in port. Activating the ship crew takes let's say 2 days to call people up from leave, briefing, and loading ammo. Then 2 days to transit to theater.

Eastern and Southern Fleet doesn't need strategic movement, they are already in theater. Southern Fleet will be hitting first at Taiwan occupied islands in the SCS and sinking Taiwanese naval ships in the southern half of the strait. Eastern Fleet will hit the northern half of the straits.

The ground mobilization absolutely matters too, because they will be the ones to hit Taiwan itself: with SRBMs, cruise missiles and outlying islands with artillery, and by moving SAM trucks into place to intercept Taiwanese aircraft as they take off.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Taiwanese people are very nice and very proud to be Chinese, I think it is one of the nicest people I have ever met during my visit to many many countries. And they openly said they don't trust the US and "hate" them
Are you serious here? I have never been to Taiwan and unfortunately only know about it from English-based media. They've painted an image of it being fiercely anti-Chinese although in my life experience, I've noted several inconsistencies with this narrative. I've only met one person from Taiwan, and heard about 2 others from friends, who were anti-China while I've met several who have either embraced their Chinese identity with a peace-loving political stance or are directly pro-China. But this is all I know from meeting a handful of people in the US. Have you actually been to the ROC and felt that most where very nice with an affinity towards China and distrust towards the US? Because Western media is basically all lies and twisted tales and I have come to learn that one can't assume that even their most basic and adamant claims bear any resemblance to reality.
 

Phead128

Captain
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I said something like this 1 or 2 years ago, I got obliterated by fellow Chinese hawks. They all thought I was trying to find excuses for the so-called "impotency" of China's state media and propaganda machine to "fight the media war". I was trying to make a case that media war does NOT matter as much as cultural revival and inward soul searching and that Media war is a fake and meaningless game of force-feeding masses with cheap redundant info which is ultimately a privilege of most proliferated platforms and their backers. There is no point winning a media war. Real physical war, technological war and economic war are much much more important that spending time bickering with others.

I said those earlier and nobody believes me. Now, it feels really good to hear you say what you are saying right now.
The most trusted news media is only trusted by 40% of Americans. Most have like 20-30% trust, including NYT, WSJ, Bberg. So you are right, media is manipulated, people know.... so better just focus on winning the physical war. The media game in US is rigged.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Are you serious here? I have never been to Taiwan and unfortunately only know about it from English-based media. They've painted an image of it being fiercely anti-Chinese although in my life experience, I've noted several inconsistencies with this narrative. I've only met one person from Taiwan, and heard about 2 others from friends, who were anti-China while I've met several who have either embraced their Chinese identity with a peace-loving political stance or are directly pro-China. But this is all I know from meeting a handful of people in the US. Have you actually been to the ROC and felt that most where very nice with an affinity towards China and distrust towards the US? Because Western media is basically lies and twisted truths and I have come to learn that one can't assume that even their most basic and adamant truths resemble the actual truth.

Yes, I have been to Taiwan twice, the most recent one was in 2019, mostly in Taipei but been to many places, it was my holiday. Very nice people, same as in China's 2nd tier cities. I don't see any difference really than China's 2nd tier cities

Comparing Taipei to Beijing or Shanghai or Shenzhen or Guangzhou, would be too much, nowhere near that

What you hear from western medias regarding China or Taiwan are very biased, mostly not true at all
 

4Runner

Junior Member
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This is a benchmark event. Mearsheimer is absolutely not a "panda hugger". He is one of few realists and political scientists that are breathing in US. The fact that Mearsheimer is totally denied of his voice in western MSM is emblematic to western censorship and propaganda. I want the constitution back. This mid-term election is going to be bloodbath for Dems.

This is a 3-day old video, in which Mearsheimer emphasized to the host that US should have had a laser-like focus on containing China instead of messing with Russia over Ukraine, because China is a peer competitor.

Now you connect this video to the above video in which Mearsheimer was talking with CGTN. And you have to come to terms with Xi's "百年未有之大变局" vision. This is close to be a WTF moment with epic proportion.

I once had a close coworker who was a typical Utah white type. He was a big time fan of Mearsheimer and traveled to attend a few Mearsheimer seminars on his speech circuit. I still cannot get my brain straightened up for Mearsheimer appearing on CGTN. This would be equivalent to China letting Brad Pitt visiting times 10. This would also tell me how pissed Mearsheimer is right now at US MSM and political eco-system.

The world is changing in front of our eyes in ways we could not have imagined just a few years ago ......
 
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