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Treat them well and you will be rewarded.
The push the communism button is more of a joke, with that said China is currently on a path more left (although very gradual, 2049 for a 'moderately socialist' country, and 2100 for a 'very socialist' country).
What you've written is largely true but I was responding to this fantasy or misguided belief by some people who think that the US would go easy on China if Beijing imposed sanctions on RussiaYeah, but, that is just a fairy tale.
Two things seriously awry with that assessment.
One is reality. China and ASEAN along with others including US treaty allies, signed the biggest trade deal in history, creating the largest block in the history of the world. Hauwei banned in only eight countries in the world. China trade volumes at record levels and growing. The Chinese currency the RMB continues to advance in the world trading system. China can offer alternatives to Western tech, first time in a few hundred years we can say that. Some areas of tech China actually leads. China has fileded hypersonic weapons, a feat the US still cannot do. China has put a lot of emphasis on the global south via the BRI, which is going well. So on and so forth, blah blah blah. If this is containment of China, which obviously it is not, it is just a fairy tale. Or bad propaganda.
Two is the Chinese mentality. China is the Middle Kingdom. That meant throughout Chinese history, others wanted something, or wanted a piece of China. So they want a piece of China? So what? Come and get it. This time China has modern weapons and will kill everybody. If that is what they want, that is what they are going to get. Unlike some other countries, official China-dom, they do not fool around.
If they want to contain China, then bring it on.
It would be a serious mistake for China to take that seriously. It is simply not creditable.
After all, those guys could not even contain the Taliban from overrunning the country.
Remember, China is the Middle Kingdom. We did not live in paranoia all these thousands and thousands of years.
The Russians are paranoid. The Americans are always paranoid. And China? Both paranoids want China to be on their side regarding that war in Europe.
What will China do? I don't know. China does not have that much experience with true paranoia.
Here is the official whitehouse readout of Biden Xi phone call.
Here is the official readout of the call from PRC ministry of foreign affairs in english.
Here is the Chinese version of the call from PRC MOFA, in case anyone has the time to do a close reading and try to glean insights from translation subtleties.
Here is the official readout of the call from PRC ministry of foreign affairs in english.
Here is the Chinese version of the call from PRC MOFA, in case anyone has the time to do a close reading and try to glean insights from translation subtleties.
This article has reminded me of the past history of China. Academics, economic and political elites tend to always have the mentality of surrender. They have no will to fight or defend their countries. Many of them probably have strong ties with the West or even funded by the West. These elites always think they know better and look down at average Chinese. But it seems majority of average Chinese support Russia as they see it as national security issue rather than some good vs evil.
When Hu Wei, a politically well-connected scholar in Shanghai, warned that China risked becoming a pariah if it didn’t denounce Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he ignited a war of words on China’s internet.
Some readers praised Mr. Hu’s article, which spread online last week, seeing its gloomy prognosis about China becoming isolated behind a new Iron Curtain of hostility from Western countries as a welcome challenge to official Chinese soft-pedaling of President Vladimir V. Putin’s aggression. Many others as a stooge of Washington, unduly critical of Russia’s war aims and prospects. Chinese the website of U.S.-China Perception Monitor, where , and tried to censor it .
Inside China, the war in Ukraine “has ignited enormous disagreements, setting supporters and opponents at polar extremes,” Mr. Hu wrote. His own stance was clear: “China should not be yoked to Putin and must sever itself from him as soon as it can.”
Mr. Hu’s article has been the most striking instance of rising opposition to Russia’s assault on an independent neighbor, and rebukes of Beijing for its reluctance to criticize Moscow.
The criticism at home comes as Beijing faces increasing pressure abroad from the United States and European governments to use its influence over Russia to help stop the war. On Friday, China’s leader, Xi Jinping, spoke with President Biden, a call in which the American leader warned Mr. Xi that supporting Russia’s aggression would have unspecified “implications and consequences.”
In China, where the authorities tightly police and punish speech both online and offline, to Mr. Putin.
Yet despite the risks, some citizens have been voicing criticisms — in quips on social media ridiculing Mr. Putin and his nationalist devotees in China; in scathing online responding to official statements; and in essays laying out the moral, political and economic costs of the war not just for Russia, but its partner, China.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia at the Winter Olympics in Beijing last month.Credit...Pool photo by Alexei Druzhinin
“We have never had any commentary that attracted so much attention,” said Yawei Liu, the editor of the U.S.-China Perception Monitor, referring to Mr. Hu’s article. The Chinese version of the article attracted 300,000 views on the Monitor’s website, and millions more from being shared on Chinese social media, Mr. Liu said in a telephone interview from Atlanta, where the online journal is based.
“There is overwhelming support for the China-Russia partnership, and overwhelming support for Putin’s war against Ukraine,” he said of Chinese opinion. “But the political, academic and economic elite are different. There is this real worry.”
Chinese critics of the war include academics with a foothold in the political establishment, like Mr. Hu, who are usually shielded from the worst pressure. He is in Shanghai’s school for Communist Party officials, and a vice president of under the State Council, the Chinese cabinet of government ministers. He declined to be interviewed.
Chinese censors have tried to snuff out the sharpest criticisms. People have also come under pressure from the authorities for expressing their opposition to the war.
In recent days, Chinese officials warned many among some 130 alumni of Chinese universities who had against the war, said Lu Nan, a retired businessman in New York who helped organize the campaign. The petition, also signed by alumni living abroad, had declared that Russia’s invasion was an “affront to the bottom line of human conscience.”
“Every single one was taken for tea,” Mr. Lu said in a telephone interview, using a common euphemism referring to being questioned by the police. The Chinese government was nervous, he said, because “it’s tied to Russia’s war chariot, and knows that this is very dangerous.”
Still, critics continue to speak out, suggesting that a significant minority is so alarmed by the war that they are willing to defy the censors. Despite the censorship, plenty of dissenting views have been kept alive by readers on social media platforms like Weibo and WeChat. Most of those speaking out are political liberals also opposed to China’s deepening authoritarianism and nationalism under Mr. Xi.
Other Chinese opponents of the war are near its frontline. Some Chinese residents in Ukraine are trying to break through the censorship back home to give their compatriots an unvarnished chronicle of life under fighting.
Wang Jixian, one of the most , posts regular dispatches from his apartment or the streets in the southern Ukrainian port city of Odessa, where he lives. His posts often start with air raid sirens, a howling reminder of how the attacks put civilians’ lives in danger.
Mr. Wang said he spent hours every day debating Chinese supporters of the war who see him on WeChat and other social media platforms. (By Friday, his WeChat video channel was erased.)
“I tell them I didn’t start this war, and if you feel it’s a righteous cause, why not come here?” Mr. Wang said in a telephone interview from his apartment. “Why don’t you just come on over and give your life for Putin?”
Mr. Wang hoped that over time his commentaries would turn some Chinese people against Russian invasion.
Defying China’s Censors to Urge Beijing to Denounce Russia’s War
A persistent minority of Chinese scholars, journalists and citizens is warning Beijing against the risks of supporting the invasion of Ukraine.When Hu Wei, a politically well-connected scholar in Shanghai, warned that China risked becoming a pariah if it didn’t denounce Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he ignited a war of words on China’s internet.
Some readers praised Mr. Hu’s article, which spread online last week, seeing its gloomy prognosis about China becoming isolated behind a new Iron Curtain of hostility from Western countries as a welcome challenge to official Chinese soft-pedaling of President Vladimir V. Putin’s aggression. Many others as a stooge of Washington, unduly critical of Russia’s war aims and prospects. Chinese the website of U.S.-China Perception Monitor, where , and tried to censor it .
Inside China, the war in Ukraine “has ignited enormous disagreements, setting supporters and opponents at polar extremes,” Mr. Hu wrote. His own stance was clear: “China should not be yoked to Putin and must sever itself from him as soon as it can.”
Mr. Hu’s article has been the most striking instance of rising opposition to Russia’s assault on an independent neighbor, and rebukes of Beijing for its reluctance to criticize Moscow.
The criticism at home comes as Beijing faces increasing pressure abroad from the United States and European governments to use its influence over Russia to help stop the war. On Friday, China’s leader, Xi Jinping, spoke with President Biden, a call in which the American leader warned Mr. Xi that supporting Russia’s aggression would have unspecified “implications and consequences.”
In China, where the authorities tightly police and punish speech both online and offline, to Mr. Putin.
Yet despite the risks, some citizens have been voicing criticisms — in quips on social media ridiculing Mr. Putin and his nationalist devotees in China; in scathing online responding to official statements; and in essays laying out the moral, political and economic costs of the war not just for Russia, but its partner, China.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia at the Winter Olympics in Beijing last month.Credit...Pool photo by Alexei Druzhinin
“We have never had any commentary that attracted so much attention,” said Yawei Liu, the editor of the U.S.-China Perception Monitor, referring to Mr. Hu’s article. The Chinese version of the article attracted 300,000 views on the Monitor’s website, and millions more from being shared on Chinese social media, Mr. Liu said in a telephone interview from Atlanta, where the online journal is based.
“There is overwhelming support for the China-Russia partnership, and overwhelming support for Putin’s war against Ukraine,” he said of Chinese opinion. “But the political, academic and economic elite are different. There is this real worry.”
Chinese critics of the war include academics with a foothold in the political establishment, like Mr. Hu, who are usually shielded from the worst pressure. He is in Shanghai’s school for Communist Party officials, and a vice president of under the State Council, the Chinese cabinet of government ministers. He declined to be interviewed.
Chinese censors have tried to snuff out the sharpest criticisms. People have also come under pressure from the authorities for expressing their opposition to the war.
In recent days, Chinese officials warned many among some 130 alumni of Chinese universities who had against the war, said Lu Nan, a retired businessman in New York who helped organize the campaign. The petition, also signed by alumni living abroad, had declared that Russia’s invasion was an “affront to the bottom line of human conscience.”
“Every single one was taken for tea,” Mr. Lu said in a telephone interview, using a common euphemism referring to being questioned by the police. The Chinese government was nervous, he said, because “it’s tied to Russia’s war chariot, and knows that this is very dangerous.”
Still, critics continue to speak out, suggesting that a significant minority is so alarmed by the war that they are willing to defy the censors. Despite the censorship, plenty of dissenting views have been kept alive by readers on social media platforms like Weibo and WeChat. Most of those speaking out are political liberals also opposed to China’s deepening authoritarianism and nationalism under Mr. Xi.
Other Chinese opponents of the war are near its frontline. Some Chinese residents in Ukraine are trying to break through the censorship back home to give their compatriots an unvarnished chronicle of life under fighting.
Wang Jixian, one of the most , posts regular dispatches from his apartment or the streets in the southern Ukrainian port city of Odessa, where he lives. His posts often start with air raid sirens, a howling reminder of how the attacks put civilians’ lives in danger.
Mr. Wang said he spent hours every day debating Chinese supporters of the war who see him on WeChat and other social media platforms. (By Friday, his WeChat video channel was erased.)
“I tell them I didn’t start this war, and if you feel it’s a righteous cause, why not come here?” Mr. Wang said in a telephone interview from his apartment. “Why don’t you just come on over and give your life for Putin?”
Mr. Wang hoped that over time his commentaries would turn some Chinese people against Russian invasion.
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But Zhao Rui, another Chinese video blogger in Ukraine, said opinion in China appeared hard to shift. Many Chinese people see Russia as a robust ally against what they say is American efforts to contain China’s rise. China’s leader, Mr. Xi, has invested his prestige in a close relationship with Mr. Putin.
“China has always treated Ukraine as a failure, a reject,” Mr. Zhao said in a telephone interview. “Even now, the great majority still strongly supports Putin.”
Of on Ukraine over the past two months on Weibo, a Chinese social media service, about half blamed the war on Ukraine, the United States or “the West” in general, according to research by Jennifer Pan, a political scientist at Stanford University, and other researchers from Stanford and the Chinese University of Hong Kong.
About one-tenth blamed Russia or Mr. Putin.
That critical minority in China, though, includes academics and professionals whose views carry more weight. Opposition from the elite may eventually seep into government policy deliberations, encouraging Beijing to shift away from Mr. Putin, especially if Russia’s assault suffers more setbacks.
“When I talk to Chinese scholars, they are very critical of Putin, they’re critical of Russia, they’re critical of the invasion,” said , a former director for China on the National Security Council in both the Bush and Obama administrations, who is now at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
China, Mr. Haenle said, “can’t move maybe as quickly as they would like. But many of them say they’re going to distance themselves over time.”
Five historians denouncing the war. Lu Xiaoyu, an international relations professor at Peking University, wrote online that Russia’s war was “imperialist expansionism, not national self-defense.” Qin Hui and Jin Yan, two other widely respected historians in Beijing, have on the background of the crisis.
“The situation now is not a Cold War, but it may be even more dangerous than one,” Ms. Jin about Russia. “The world order may again divide into two camps over its stance on Russia.”
Still, Mr. Xi appears committed to staying close to Russia, even as China has sought to dissociate itself from the attack on Ukraine. The increasingly centralized decision-making process in Beijing has meant that even prominent scholars do not have the same access as under previous leaders.
If Russia’s war and the ensuing Western sanctions drag down China’s economic growth, leaders in Beijing could become more receptive to the warnings from Chinese scholars, Mr. Liu from the U.S.-China Perception Monitor said.
“To hang yourself on the Russian tree, I think that’s like committing suicide,” he said, “at least economic suicide.”
“China has always treated Ukraine as a failure, a reject,” Mr. Zhao said in a telephone interview. “Even now, the great majority still strongly supports Putin.”
Of on Ukraine over the past two months on Weibo, a Chinese social media service, about half blamed the war on Ukraine, the United States or “the West” in general, according to research by Jennifer Pan, a political scientist at Stanford University, and other researchers from Stanford and the Chinese University of Hong Kong.
About one-tenth blamed Russia or Mr. Putin.
That critical minority in China, though, includes academics and professionals whose views carry more weight. Opposition from the elite may eventually seep into government policy deliberations, encouraging Beijing to shift away from Mr. Putin, especially if Russia’s assault suffers more setbacks.
“When I talk to Chinese scholars, they are very critical of Putin, they’re critical of Russia, they’re critical of the invasion,” said , a former director for China on the National Security Council in both the Bush and Obama administrations, who is now at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
China, Mr. Haenle said, “can’t move maybe as quickly as they would like. But many of them say they’re going to distance themselves over time.”
Five historians denouncing the war. Lu Xiaoyu, an international relations professor at Peking University, wrote online that Russia’s war was “imperialist expansionism, not national self-defense.” Qin Hui and Jin Yan, two other widely respected historians in Beijing, have on the background of the crisis.
“The situation now is not a Cold War, but it may be even more dangerous than one,” Ms. Jin about Russia. “The world order may again divide into two camps over its stance on Russia.”
Still, Mr. Xi appears committed to staying close to Russia, even as China has sought to dissociate itself from the attack on Ukraine. The increasingly centralized decision-making process in Beijing has meant that even prominent scholars do not have the same access as under previous leaders.
If Russia’s war and the ensuing Western sanctions drag down China’s economic growth, leaders in Beijing could become more receptive to the warnings from Chinese scholars, Mr. Liu from the U.S.-China Perception Monitor said.
“To hang yourself on the Russian tree, I think that’s like committing suicide,” he said, “at least economic suicide.”
That alone have forfeited those fools argument against China's current stance towards Russia. If the Liberals had their way in China back in the days today's China and the successes the CPC and the country have experienced wouldn't have been achieved. Instead, China would be living at the mercy of America, with her territories permanently cut down from her like Xinjiang, Tibet, and even Manchuria, and we can all forget about Taiwan.
The greatest enemies of China throughout it's history has always come from within. But for now, these rad libs, they must be allowed to continue spitting out their venomous lies to reveal their true motive for the country which is to sell out China so that they can seek better and greener pastures of recognition, fame, and fortune from their western idols whom these leeches have placed at the altar of supremacy. When the time comes, those people should meet the punishment according to the Chinese law.
These so called "intellectuals" are seemingly ready to give up on shaping the world that reflects the actual will of the majority population of the world, and not from the fake "mandate" from the collective world of the west that barely represents 25% of the world's population. The elites, the political fat cats, and economic elites just don't want their collective living conditions to be severely affected. Travels to America, Europe, and elsewhere curtailed; investments, properties to be purchased in America, Europe to be prohibited or forced to sell. These are the kinds of people that Mao worked hard to be removed and now we know why.
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Reminds me of when people say that Shanghai/Shenzhen are the economic engines of China where they only think of money, but Beijing is the soul of the country.
When these elites think too short term or without taking into account the wider strategic environment, Beijing comes in and gets everyone in line with giving a grand vision and ambition for China.
While I resent these liberal idiots, I can rest easy knowing that CPC is firmly in control with competent people who can see much further in the future than them.
I propose sending these liberals for 3 years to comrade Kim to learn what is important in life and what is not.
