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Arnies

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It won't be the first time Turkey have nuked their self interests.

At various times over the past few years they've been at odds with China, Russia and NATO. They need to chose a foreign policy and be consistent with it. Because right now they can't be trusted by anyone.

Turkey has gone back to its NATO shelter.. Since that Rome meeting Turkey-US ties have improved.. I expect their allies will lay there for the forseeable future but ties will continue with other countries and trade
 

taxiya

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Turkey had zero interest in turmoil rest assured..
Besides what @Overbom said about the turmoils in neighbouring Syria, Iraq and Libya, Turkey also poked three of the five nuclear powers. Shot down Russian aircraft, harbouring terrorists from China's Xinjiang including have them trained in Syria, then pissed off the US. I have never seen a country in human history being reckless, daring and untrustworthy to this level.
 

Bob Smith

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Besides what @Overbom said about the turmoils in neighbouring Syria, Iraq and Libya, Turkey also poked three of the five nuclear powers. Shot down Russian aircraft, harbouring terrorists from China's Xinjiang including have them trained in Syria, then pissed off the US. I have never seen a country in human history being reckless, daring and untrustworthy to this level.
4 of the 5 nuclear powers. They tried to rally the Muslim world against France after the Samuel Paty beheading incident.

 

pmc

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Why would they damage their own economy along the way and make themselves lose billions and upon billions. It makes no sense.. Turkey had zero interest in turmoil rest assured.. They are relieved now as all that fizzled out and no loss of investments.

The F-35 has something to do with NATO wanting to make their ranks tighten together due to Europe facing new Russian threats..

Their relations have improved since Erdogan and Biden meet in Rome few months back
this phone call so soon from UAE to Kazak. does feel some thing not right.

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taxiya

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China GCC joint statement after the meeting

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一、尽快建立中海战略伙伴关系,进一步拓展双边合作领域,提升务实合作水平,应对当前挑战,实现共同发展,服务共同利益。
Speed up establishing China GCC strategic partnership.

二、尽快签署中海战略对话2022年至2025年行动计划,为双方合作开辟新的前景、拓展更多领域。
To iron out the action plan for China GCC strategic dialog 2022-2025

三、尽快完成中海自由贸易协定谈判,建立中海自由贸易区,提升贸易自由化、便利化水平,统筹推进双方经贸利益。
To speed up finalization of China GCC FTA

四、适时在沙特阿拉伯王国首都利雅得召开第四轮中海战略对话,加强双方战略沟通,落实双方发展规划,规划中海关系与合作未来发展。
To hold the 4th China GCC strategic dialog in Riyad in an appropriate time.
 

xypher

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The thing with Turkey is that Erdogan is trying to play all sides - buys military equipment from Russia thus getting on the US nerves, then opposes Russia in Syria disallowing any buildup of goodwill, flip-flops on Xinjiang, the whole Turan thing, etc. As a result, neither the West, Russia nor China really trust Turkey and view them with some level of suspicion. That's not even mentioning the Gulf states and Iran which are also wary of Erdogan's "Ottoman empire" schtick. It seems that his megalomania is creating unnecessary enemies without the economy or military might to back that up.

IMO, the whole Kazakhstan thingy is also a hidden warning for Erdogan that the same can easily happen to him but he won't have any allies to bail him out.
 

bajingan

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I think your whole take is foolish and dangerous. The US specifically abandoned Afghanistan/Kurds to shift to confronting China. A majority of Americans want to defend Taiwan and it's only increasing. The US won't let China win in the largest point of contention with it so easily.

A more interesting question is concrete ways/scenarios in which a US intervention in Taiwan can escalate past the nuclear level. I believe one likely scenario is US first use after devastating conventional losses.
"the americans are unreasonable, give them no options and they will be reasonable"

Once PLA nuclear modernization completed and China has established MAD firmly, the americans will be reasonable
 
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