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taxiya

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Overbom said:
I am sure this is just a coincidence..
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By coincidence you mean China's harsh words on Turkey vs. the Kazakhstan event? I don't think so to the point I'd say impossible if you understand how Chinese diplomatic wording works.

First of all, if you read the full article you would see:
  1. It is by People's daily.
  2. The article is written in the perspective of CPC, not a common news report.
  3. The article only quoted the "bad" words from Wang Yi, although he also said something nicer reported elsewhere. So you know the focus of China.
  4. The Turkish FM did NOT respond to Wang's "demand".
1 and 2 means that nothing else can be more representing of China's official position.

3 means that China's only focus of this meeting are these "bad" things.

The 4th is unusual. It means Turkey did not expect Wang to put these "demands" in the meeting. The Turkish FM without Erdogan's prior authorization can not make any defence/denial or promise.

Turkey did not do anything about Xinjiang recently, why would China suddenly put these "harsh" demands out of nowhere?
 
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taxiya

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Arnies said:
This is not factual bro and i will explain to you why...

Turkey was relieved and happy to see Tokavey crush the protestors immediately and Kazakhstan retains stability.. They have to many investment there and companies they could have lost alot of money with turmoil..

Besides Tokayev and Nursultan have both good relations with Turkey and they had no side to pick..

Kazakhstan nor Russia has laid any blames on Turkey but that part is an inside gossip assumption on twitter like many other candidates thrown around like Israel, US, China etc etc..

But the real culprit is the US and they wanted to trap Russia into a Vietnam like conflict diverting them away from Ukraine but the protestors just died down within 2 days and never reached that far hence the intended plan failed.. Russia understood this immediately that it was a diverting tactics making there resolve on Ukraine stronger since that diverting tactics didn't materialize
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None of these can explain China's sudden harsh stance on Turkey, almost like out of the blue. See my thought in #26,876
 
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I think your whole take is foolish and dangerous. The US specifically abandoned Afghanistan/Kurds to shift to confronting China. A majority of Americans want to defend Taiwan and it's only increasing. The US won't let China win in the largest point of contention with it so easily.

A more interesting question is concrete ways/scenarios in which a US intervention in Taiwan can escalate past the nuclear level. I believe one likely scenario is US first use after devastating conventional losses.
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The Americans abandoned Afghanistan. They have no credibility.

Just go ask the South Vietnamese if a second opinion is wanted.
 
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taxiya said:
By coincidence you mean China's harsh words on Turkey vs. the Kazakhstan event? I don't think so to the point I'd say impossible if you understand how Chinese diplomatic wording works.
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I mean coincidence about the attempted colour revolution happening in Kazakhstan and after that hearing so many rumours about Turkey being "rewarded" by getting the F-35. Surely thats a huge red flag that Turkey did US' dirty work in Kazakhstan

And lets not forget Turkey's totally innocent and totally not aiming for Xinjiang, Turkish Council:
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Overbom said:
I mean coincidence about the attempted colour revolution happening in Kazakhstan and after that hearing so many rumours about Turkey being "rewarded" by getting the F-35.
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Why would they damage their own economy along the way and make themselves lose billions and upon billions. It makes no sense.. Turkey had zero interest in turmoil rest assured.. They are relieved now as all that fizzled out and no loss of investments.

The F-35 has something to do with NATO wanting to make their ranks tighten together due to Europe facing new Russian threats..

Their relations have improved since Erdogan and Biden meet in Rome few months back
 
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Overbom

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Arnies said:
Why would they damage their own economy along the way and make themselves lose billions and upon billions. It makes no sense.. Turkey had zero interest in turmoil rest assured.. They are relieved now..

The F-35 has something to do with NATO wanting to make their ranks tighten together due to Europe facing new Russian threats
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Mate, you are talking about Erdogan who had Turkey invade Syria/Iraq, got involved in Libya and then you say that Turkey has 0 interest in turmoil lmao

Please have some self-awareness and don't insult our intelligence. Members here know what Turkey is and how it has been interfering in Xinjiang
 
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taxiya

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Arnies said:
The words is basically China saying stay out of our internal country issues.. It has no link to outside china
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This interpretation only means that China literally slapped the face of a guest coming afar without any reason in the open. The only other party who has received such "brutal" treatment is Blinken, even him actually had many reasons for the treatment. I just can't get any explanation from it.

Besides, nobody expect China to openly make such accusations outside China without openly available evidence. But what Turkey is doing in central Asia (the console of Turkic speaking states) is exactly what China sees as Turkey is doing in Xinjiang. So the two matters are the same thing in China's perspective regardless what Turkey may say or what you may think.
 
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Overbom said:
Mate, you are talking about Erdogan who had Turkey invade Syria/Iraq, got involved in Libya and then you say that Turkey has 0 interest in turmoil lmao

Please have some self-awareness and don't insult our intelligence. Members here know what Turkey is and how it has been interfering in Xinjiang
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I didn't know China is uncomfortable with Turkey due to their stance on Xinjiang Besides Turkey has stopped that years ago when they found out it was a ploy to demonize china aka propaganda but Turkey was involved in that media debacle
 
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Arnies said:
Why would they damage their own economy along the way and make themselves lose billions and upon billions. It makes no sense.. Turkey had zero interest in turmoil rest assured.. They are relieved now as all that fizzled out and no loss of investments.

The F-35 has something to do with NATO wanting to make their ranks tighten together due to Europe facing new Russian threats..

Their relations have improved since Erdogan and Biden meet in Rome few months back
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It won't be the first time Turkey have nuked their self interests.

At various times over the past few years they've been at odds with China, Russia and NATO. They need to chose a foreign policy and be consistent with it. Because right now they can't be trusted by anyone.
 
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