Miscellaneous News

I initially think that this has something to do with the cold war nerves and China feeling encirled somehow which is not the case here. I also feel like the recent massive meetings in China was due to China wanting assurance on neutrality standpoint from various elements outside of the West..

Arnies said:

They came by themselves... This is just empty allegations and they came even before Turkey was involved in Syria and in the beginning phase. Besides why is china concerned by 8mil minority within China that is 1.5bil.. These leaving China has no political designs inside China.

Click to expand...

The alligation is based on Thailand's police intelligence who intercepted these fake Turkish citizens en route to Turkey using Turkish passport. The Turkish government openly protested to Thailand accusing it abducting "Turkish citizens". These "Turkish" were deported back to China. The incident led Thailand's consulate in Turkey being ransacked. See the footage

If it is empty allegation, why did Turkey protest? Why did Thailand deport these people to China?

What kind of question is that? Uyghurs are Chinese citizens even the criminal ones, it is surely China's concern and NOBODY else is in any position to ask such question.

Arnies said:

But it was the so-called liberals who are in the west paid by the US to create a separatist movement outside china ala tibetans blue-print like Dalai lama but not the ones leaving china by their own accord. There are more of them living today in KSA, UAE, Malaysia, US, Canada etc etc.. People just move around all the time.

Click to expand...

Anyone leaving China to join terrorist groups are enemy of China. You seem to making different characterization of the west and Turkey on the very same conduct. Are you ethnic Turkish being Erdogan's fan?

Arnies said:

I even fail to see why such a small insignificiant minority is a topic.. It is nothing to overexaggerate

Click to expand...

Is Kurds insignificant minority? Turkey must be exaggerating the non-issue of Kurdish independent movement in Turkey.

Remember the Chinese proverb "己所不欲，勿施于人"/ treat others as you want to be treated, otherwise you will have to taste your own medicine.

Arnies said:

I also feel like the recent massive meetings in China was due to China wanting assurance on neutrality standpoint from various elements outside of the West..

Click to expand...

IMO the most important is that China is finally going to make a move on the Iranian nuclear negotiations. Thats why it has invited everyone so that it takes everyone's core interests into account so that its final position is acceptable from all parties.

Then there is the GCC FTA negotiations

The Yemen quagmire might also be discussed.

The Kazakhstan attempted colour revolution will also be discussed. I am sure that various countries are concerned that something similar could happen to them.

Then there is the usual but important BRI stuff (infra, 5G, digital, trade).
Also some small discussion about Horn of Africa and the need to stabilise it

taxiya said:

The alligation is based on Thailand's police intelligence who intercepted these fake Turkish citizens en route to Turkey using Turkish passport.

What kind of question is that? Uyghurs are Chinese citizens even the criminal ones, it is surely China's concern and NOBODY else is in any position to ask such question.

Anyone leaving China to join terrorist groups are enemy of China. You seem to making different characterization of the west and Turkey on the very same conduct. Are you ethnic Turkish being Erdogan's fan?


Is Kurds insignificant minority? Turkey must be exaggerating the non-issue of Kurdish independent movement in Turkey.

Remember the Chinese proverb "己所不欲，勿施于人"/ treat others as you want to be treated, otherwise you will have to taste your own medicine.

Click to expand...

I tend to agree with some of the things you raised here.

But I also feel like Turkey-US improvement of ties has not been recieved well in China and there was already suspicion of them previously and the improved ties with the US raised the metric here. The Cold war nerves has heighten.

Imo nations caught up in the middle should start to express their neutrality standpoint on the cold war in order to avoid getting caught up in it unnecessarily like example the recent UAE-Huawei-F35 debacle.

But honestly Turkey doesn't want any part of this cold war and the visit itself signals that they want trade and cordial ties to continue as normal

Arnies said:

But I also feel like Turkey-US improvement of ties has not been recieved well in China and there was already suspicion of them previously and the improved ties with the US raised the metric here.

Click to expand...

I don't think China cares about that.

I mean just look at some of China's neighbors who are literally US' puppets...

If China isn't overly bothered with them, why would it be bothered if Turkey, which is 1000s miles away from China, improved relations with the US?

China (and people here) is only bothered with Turkey because it harbours and trains terrorists (on the behalf of the CIA) to be used against China. As long as Turkey cuts this BS with CIA then nobody would care if Turkey is a friend with US, EU or aliens

taxiya said:

Besides what @Overbom said about the turmoils in neighbouring Syria, Iraq and Libya, Turkey also poked three of the five nuclear powers. Shot down Russian aircraft, harbouring terrorists from China's Xinjiang including have them trained in Syria, then pissed off the US. I have never seen a country in human history being reckless, daring and untrustworthy to this level.

Click to expand...

What about the United States ?

Bro That is an exaggeration? As mention they are so far away from China nor have they ever targetted China with such ulterior motives.. But that is not the case here is it.. @Overbom

Arnies said:

Bro That is an exaggeration? As mention they are so far away from China nor have they ever targetted China with such ulterior motives.. But that is not the case here is it..

Click to expand...

Read my post. Turkey is far from China from a geographical point of view. However if it interferes with China's internal affairs then it becomes a problem

They do terrorist attacks and also.support Xinjiang to be split from China. That's a capital crime and they only deserve death or life sentence.
Btw I am not talking abiut ethnic groups. I am talking about the radicals

Overbom said:

They do terrorist attacks and also.support Xinjiang to be split from China. That's a capital crime and they only deserve death or life sentence.
Btw I am not talking abiut ethnic groups. I am talking about the radicals

Click to expand...

They don't support separation of Xinjiang or any other provinces they are not against the UN designated borders... The other part is just really silly..

Arnies said:

Diplomatic rapture always happens on the entire western to middle section of Eurasia example the fallout between Turkey and Egypt-KSA-UAE-GCC was bigger then the diplomatic fallout between Turkey-US or GCC-Qatar.

Click to expand...

The GCC-Qatar isn't fallout nor is it temporary, it's an ongoing schism between the ruling familes.

Arnies said:

But they are mostly short-stint fallouts and patching up happens always after few hours to months sometimes right now the Turkey-GCC has patched up again including Turkey-US it has also patched up again. The same with Turkey-China they had a diplomatic back in around 2016-ish but that was on a shorter period then the others. The worst of them was the Turkey-Egypt or Turkey-KSA where Erdogan was releasing bits and piece on MBS debacle in the Saudi Embassy in Turkey and the reason why it got so much media attention was due to Erdogan and nobody thought a comeback from that was possible after such a fallout but they have slowly patched up again..

Click to expand...

None of those relations have been "patched up", and none are normal.

Arnies said:

This happens all the time there was even a much lesser fallout between Pakistan and Turkey that many didn't notice back when IEA stormed Kabul and demanded their exit from the airport but that was resolved after a month or 2.

If you are from these parts it is completely normal to go thru diplomatic raptures from time to time example the reason Morocco-Spain diplomatic rapture which resolved it happens all the time even Algeria and Turkey had a rapture due to Turkey selling TB2s to Morocco which is also resolved now..

Turkey and Germany have the best relations but even they have had raptures here and there which has always been patched up again. Hungary and the EU has currently a minor rapture etc etc. US and Pakistan on and off etc etc or France-UK recent rapture or even France-Australia. Diplomatic rapture occurs all the time but it is mainly resolved..

But rivalries can't be resolved such as cold wars like the one we are going thru right now for world hegemony

Click to expand...

Again - more examples of Turkey going around the world creating fights. This is not normal behaviour from a modern civilised nation. I like how you try to convince us that Turkey is a reliable partner by listing a number of diplomatic standoffs they've created.

I'd blame Erdogan, but I'm sure it would be the same whoever was in power in Turkey.