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Sleepyjam

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Well that's for naval battles on open seas or land attacks far away from China's shores in the distant future. As of now, the most immediate task is to stockpile enough firepower to deal with Taiwan and India. I believe China's limited defense budget should sharply focus on these two imminent existential threats (which could very well end the CCP Party State) instead of building fancy platform for power projections the distant future.
US would be the main threat, those two are not that serious. China would need to project forces far from its shores.
 

Sleepyjam

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Well of course you can have a few 055s or 052DLs (2-3) serving as "mother ships" providing air-surveillance intel (through advanced battlefield information sharing) for the rest of the fleet, but have those light frigates, submarines, and unmanned missile boats/mini-subs do the actual fighting and overpower the enemy fleet/naval bases.
Can have? It’s the basic minimum. Still need carriers for OTH and to intercept bombers.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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US would be the main threat, those two are not that serious. China would need to project forces far from its shores.
Well the US is a maritime strategic competitor (or adversary) that China would have to live (and pretty much deal with for all matters) with for decades to come. The US-China Relations will likely swing back and forth between limited armed conflict (Taiwan or Diaoyu/Senkaku) and strategic stability (healthy competition, if you want to put it nicely), but neither side would try to destroy one another as long as both have credible nuclear deterrence. However, Taiwan is an issue that matters directly to the CCP's legitimacy and maritime security, so it would have to be dealt with eventually. India is a latent power and rising quickly had it not been the virus. Yet, it will another two decades before India could match China, so it is better to strangle it before it becomes too powerful. Also, India's nuclear deterrence remains limited, it is worth to the risk to snatch Arunachal Pradesh, Kashmir (and give to Pakistan afterward), and carpet bomb Dharamshala with thermobaric ordinance (put an end to the Tibet issue once for all, as well as uprooting the grave of Lord Elgin, the man who burnt the Summer Palace in 1860). In other word, the next five year would be the ideal time to knock India down and delay its rise. Beijing could also airdrop weapons and fuel to the Naxalites, and strategically promote Cultural-Revolution like Maoist radical campaign for the Naxal supporters, such as encouraging land reforms through killing landlords and Brahmin Priests. In other words, underline India similar to how the US tried to undermine China and USSR during the Cold War. Use a combination of "peaceful evolution," limited military campaigns, influence operations, and various sabotages.
 

Michaelsinodef

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As of now, the most immediate task is to stockpile enough firepower to deal with Taiwan and India. I believe China's limited defense budget should sharply focus on these two imminent existential threats (which could very well end the CCP Party State) instead of building fancy platform for power projections the distant future.
The newest mounted rocket launchers can apparantly reach around ~280 to 300 km, which would be enough in an attack against Taiwan or India (honestly no reason to attack India, so more for defense against, also that would mostly done by the ground force which while involved with Taiwan, would still have more than enough to roll over India).

Besides the above various missiles are needed to hit US ships (carrier groups) and bases.
 

Sleepyjam

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Honestly it is not Tsai who should be punished. She's quite a moderate. On the other hand, it is the DPP's lobbyists (along with the so-called student activists from the 2014 Sunflower Movement and other pro-independence radicals driving the de-sinicisation campaign in the ROC) who use money to "legally" bribe US Congressmen (not the smartest people in the world, but surely good at passing dangerous policies/laws after receiving their campaign donations) into sending Americans kids to fight for Taiwan that should be publicly executed by firing squads, say inside the Bird's Nest or Beijing Workers' Stadium (if those buildings happen to survive the nuclear exchange).
She is the one in charge with overwhelming power on the island. She is the head of the snake. Those congressmen have not made any laws regarding sending troops, it will depend on Biden.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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She is the one in charge with overwhelming power on the island. She is the head of the snake. Those congressmen have not made any laws regarding sending troops, it will depend on Biden.
Well you never know. She might be useful in the post-war reconciliation, which mean killing the radicals, but reach some kinds of deals with the moderates in order to calm the general populace.
 

Sleepyjam

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Well the US is a maritime strategic competitor (or adversary) that China would have to live (and pretty much deal with for all matters) with for decades to come. The US-China Relations will likely swing back and forth between limited armed conflict (Taiwan or Diaoyu/Senkaku) and strategic stability (healthy competition, if you want to put it nicely), but neither side would try to destroy one another as long as both have credible nuclear deterrence. However, Taiwan is an issue that matters directly to the CCP's legitimacy and maritime security, so it would have to be dealt with eventually. India is a latent power and rising quickly had it not been the virus. Yet, it will another two decades before India could match China, so it is better to strangle it before it becomes too powerful. Also, India's nuclear deterrence remains limited, it is worth to the risk to snatch Arunachal Pradesh, Kashmir (and give to Pakistan afterward), and carpet bomb Dharamshala with thermobaric ordinance (put an end to the Tibet issue once for all, as well as uprooting the grave of Lord Elgin, the man who burnt the Summer Palace in 1860). In other word, the next five year would be the ideal time to knock India down and delay its rise. Beijing could also airdrop weapons and fuel to the Naxalites, and strategically promote Cultural-Revolution like Maoist radical campaign for the Naxal supporters, such as encouraging land reforms through killing landlords and Brahmin Priests. In other words, underline India similar to how the US tried to undermine China and USSR during the Cold War. Use a combination of "peaceful evolution," limited military campaigns, influence operations, and various sabotages.
Lol You just mentioned a possible nuclear exchange now you are saying they won’t try to destroy one another? It’s the US involvement and threat of force that is delaying Taiwan reunification.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Lol You just mentioned a possible nuclear exchange now you are saying they won’t try to destroy one another? It’s the US involvement and threat of force that is delaying Taiwan reunification.
Well, yes it is risk that there could be a US-China nuclear exchange as a result of Taiwan conflict. However, if both sides remain clear headed, they might reach some sorts of compromise or ceasefire, as well as resuming normal diplomatic relations, after a limited conventional maritime engagement. By this time, China may or may not achieve victory over Taiwan, but I don't see why any sane national leader with full control of his or her nuclear arsenal would escalate to the nuclear level over Taiwan. The risk is if some commanders in Guam decides to drop a B61, or an Ohio class fires a D5 to "escalate to de-escalate." Or if a DF-26 unit were to face airstrikes, and commander (under severe pressure) decide to use the nukes or lose them. In fact, under the pressure of losing, even Biden and Xi would be at risk of "using or losing," especially if their nuclear units come under conventional attack. In general, it is the losing side that could be tempted to "escalate to de-escalate" or use/lose them. Also, since Guam does contain various nukes, if those nukes come under conventional attack, I don't know what would happen, especially if they somehow got loaded onto the surviving B-1Bs and take off.
 

Sleepyjam

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Well, yes it is risk that there could be a US-China nuclear exchange as a result of Taiwan conflict. However, if both sides remain clear headed, they might reach some sorts of compromise or ceasefire, as well as resuming normal diplomatic relations, after a limited conventional maritime engagement. By this time, China may or may not achieve victory over Taiwan, but I don't see why any sane national leader with full control of his or her nuclear arsenal would escalate to the nuclear level over Taiwan. The risk is if some commanders in Guam decides to drop a B61, or an Ohio class fires a D5 to "escalate to de-escalate." Or if a DF-26 unit were to face airstrikes, and commander (under severe pressure) decide to use the nukes or lose them. In fact, under the pressure of losing, even Biden and Xi would be at risk of "using or losing," especially if their nuclear units come under conventional attack. In general, it is the losing side that could be tempted to "escalate to de-escalate" or use/lose them.
I was merely pointing out your own contractions.
 
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