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AssassinsMace

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Why not hold up in an US or other Western embassies in countries they escape to? They can even try that in China. No need for refugee camps. They seem to be able to get into other countries despite what excuses the US makes up. It's because they don't want that headache of actually following through with what claim they stand for.
 

taxiya

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Myself and no doubt many Chinese people well versed in Chinese history recognises this behaviour well: this is the exact same behaviour exhibited by the Qing ruling class during their decline. For example of this I point you to Treaty of Nanjing, signed 1843 in the aftermath of the First Opium War:




Oh, you poor sods who have travelled across the sea. The Emperor in his infinite mercy has ALLOWED you to live in five of our cities, better kowtow to show your gratitude





Notice how here the Chinese translation has a very different tone to the English, in case any Qing subjects want to read it and not feel to bad. The English says "cedes" but the Chinese is more like "gifts". The Emperor see that you English coming from the other side of the world arrive at our shores with your ship all battered and messed up, so he see it as reasonable that you have a place to store all your ship repairing gear and material. That little bit of land call Hong Kong? Pft that's nothing to to the Emperor, you can have it.

If you didn't know the history behind this document you would think maybe the British and Chinese had a war and the Chinese won.
Well I would not compare what the Qing did with what US is doing. The Chinese wording in the treaty actually allows enough ambiguity (room for interpretation) to take Hongkong main island back which was what PRC did in 1980s.

At the negotiation of Hongkong's future, UK initially only agreed to return Jiulong (九龙) and Xinjie (新界) to China as they were on lease (clearly stated 99 years in the separate treaty), but refused to return Hongkong island arguing that it was ceded as in the English version of the treaty. China argued that Hongkong island was not ceded based on the Chinese version of the treaty.
今大皇帝准将香港一岛给予大英国君主暨嗣后世袭主位者常远据守主掌,任便立法治理。
Here, this Chinese texts made no mentioning of sovereignty, nor the legal nature of the "giving". The Chinese version also used "long time" instead of "permanent" or "forever". It also only used word "administrating" which does not mean "sovereignty". So in Chinese version, Hongkong island was never under UK sovereignty which can only happen if it is ceded. You can see this point in the name of the event. In Chinese texts it is "恢复行使主权" translated to English as "resume exercising sovereignty", in UK's texts "Restore Hong Kong to PRC". Essentially, UK accepted Qing's position in the 1850 treaty. If the Qing used equivlant wording as "cede" in the Chinese version, it would be impossible for PRC to take Hongkong back without breaking China's "legal obligation" and theoretically "invading" UK regardless how unfair that "obligation" was.

I think, at a defeat and in weak position, the Qing government has done everything it could to give the future generation a chance to restore Hongkong without a legal and permanent concession. This is not the same of pretense of being strong like what US is doing, but rather planting a device for the future.
 

windsclouds2030

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Why not hold up in an US or other Western embassies in countries they escape to? They can even try that in China. No need for refugee camps. They seem to be able to get into other countries despite what excuses the US makes up. It's because they don't want that headache of actually following through with what claim they stand for.
How many Afghans the US take in during its 20-year direct occupation there?

Or how many Syrians "being oppressed" by Damascus that the US take in?

Ha ha ha the US may take in as many Uyghurs they wish to help... I will be happy for the better lives of the Uyghur brothers and sisters may have in the land of unlimited opportunity. We just need to see the reality. Btw China has about 1446 million people... roughly how many will the US host... I don't think Beijing has problem to spare some number of population and shift to the USA... :D size of land areas of the USA and China are almost the same, but population differs a lot -- USA has "only" 334 million population thus it can have significantly some more for more balanced distribution. Their goodwill if genuine is very much appreciated.

I always feel amazed that this kind of narrative can be sold to the society... such naked lies, hypocrisy... and even more there are still folks who will swallow such empty words... many are idiotic
 

windsclouds2030

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Well I would not compare what the Qing did with what US is doing. The Chinese wording in the treaty actually allows enough ambiguity (room for interpretation) to take Hongkong main island back which was what PRC did in 1980s.

At the negotiation of Hongkong's future, UK initially only agreed to return Jiulong (九龙) and Xinjie (新界) to China as they were on lease (clearly stated 99 years in the separate treaty), but refused to return Hongkong island arguing that it was ceded as in the English version of the treaty. China argued that Hongkong island was not ceded based on the Chinese version of the treaty.

Here, this Chinese texts made no mentioning of sovereignty, nor the legal nature of the "giving". The Chinese version also used "long time" instead of "permanent" or "forever". It also only used word "administrating" which does not mean "sovereignty". So in Chinese version, Hongkong island was never under UK sovereignty which can only happen if it is ceded. You can see this point in the name of the event. In Chinese texts it is "恢复行使主权" translated to English as "resume exercising sovereignty", in UK's texts "Restore Hong Kong to PRC". Essentially, UK accepted Qing's position in the 1850 treaty. If the Qing used equivlant wording as "cede" in the Chinese version, it would be impossible for PRC to take Hongkong back without breaking China's "legal obligation" and theoretically "invading" UK regardless how unfair that "obligation" was.

I think, at a defeat and in weak position, the Qing government has done everything it could to give the future generation a chance to restore Hongkong without a legal and permanent concession. This is not the same of pretense of being strong like what US is doing, but rather planting a device for the future.
And this from the legalese standing point... yet I do agree that Chinese people should appreciate even thankful to the Qing officials who wisely and smartly crafted this agreement for the sake of the generation long in the future...

But if Margaret Thatcher insisted to refuse returning Hong Kong to China, Deng Xiaoping just needed to remove the entry barrier into that enclave, let people flood that region. And cut the supplies as necessary. It's merely an undefendable piece of land, which was a possibility that Thatcher already verified with her advisors and ministers.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Study Finds Racial Profiling of Scientists of Chinese Descent

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The study underscored a climate of fear as the U.S. government investigates more scientists of Chinese descent suspected of espionage, though such cases have repeatedly been dismissed. In addition, the study showed such profiling has slowed global collaborations, jeopardizing the country’s competitiveness.

“This is a story of scientists who feel like their work is being compromised, who fear largely that they will be charged and jailed and investigated,” said Dr. Jenny Lee, professor of educational policy studies and practice at the University of Arizona. Lee is one of the study’s authors....

......This summer, the researchers sent a blind survey to scientists both of Chinese and non-Chinese descent, including faculty, postdoctoral fellows, and graduate students. Across the country, 1,949 scientists responded.

“We kept hearing anecdotally about Chinese American scientists and Chinese scientists being fired without cause or leaving the U.S. because it felt hostile or stopping their interactions with China out of fear,” said Zhengyu Huang, president of the Committee of 100. “But we wanted a way to survey scientists and see the trends, so we decided to do this research.”

Titled “Racial Profiling Among Scientists of Chinese Descent and Consequences for the U.S. Scientific Community,” the study found that scientists of Chinese and Asian descent reported far more racial profiling from the U.S. government, greater difficulty in securing research funds, and heightened fear of surveillance by the U.S. government compared to non-Asian scientists.

“The numbers completely bore out the anecdotes,” Huang said. “If we talk about a new Red Scare, this is it.”..

.....“There was also no significant difference between U.S. citizens of Chinese descent and Chinese citizens, so this is racial profiling that is also affecting Americans,” said Lee...For example, a few weeks ago, Dr. Anming Hu, an engineering professor at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, was acquitted of federal charges. Hu had been wrongfully accused of hiding a relationship with a Chinese university while receiving research grants from NASA, a judge ruled. Following the acquittal and pressure from faculty, the University of Tennessee offered to reinstate Hu...

The study’s results underscored how fears of surveillance by the U.S. government have also been slowing down or halting research collaborations with partners in China. The authors pointed out that this chilling effect risks hurting rather than helping the country’s global competitiveness.

“We were able to demonstrate that this also has a broader effect on the U.S.’s ability to continue to be a leader in global science,” said Lee. “There are multiple accounts of individuals who are less inclined to pursue federal grants and to partner with China. Scientists know that science is very global, and so reducing your work to domestic knowledge and domestic data raises concerns.”

Lee additionally said that the study found many scientists are considering leaving the U.S. in part due to that climate of fear. And that could spell a huge loss to the country.

“This was mostly among graduate students and postdocs already on temporary visas,” said Lee. “But I was surprised to also see comments from American scientists of Chinese descent who felt that they would thrive more in other parts of the world. And that includes China.”...

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Arnies

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China’s test is still only conceptual, it’s not operational yet. That means America knows it will soon loose its nuclear blackmail card, so this could be elements within their deep state pushing to using it before they loose it, so to speak



India is an irrelevant nothing to China, always have been.

The above sounds like a pinko Anglo wet dream where the coloured peoples slaughter each other while they get to sell arms and gloat.

Leaving aside the fact China has zero interest in conquering and colonising India, even if it did, the cost of trying to drag that place into a semblance of modernity is going to be a generational challenge and cost China colossal sums. I have joked before that maybe the Indian elite is running a long conn against everyone, where their true objective with all this senseless and one-way hostility towards China is to provoke a war so China would invade and end up being responsible for governing India and have to clean up all their mess.

What China should do now is to take a bit of time to access what actions to take and make them with an open mind because right now with the west resorting to lies and hatred to keep their world together, it would be very unwise to rush things, not to mention wasting missiles on India and Taiwan will leave China with less weapons then the USA which is now trying to rope other nations to contend with China which is a big sign that the USA and the collective west is in a true decline. Note that many economic forecasters keep on being up China economy crash due to the property crisis while not looking at the fact that not only this is done as a way to avoid looking at their own problems but also to note is that really China is well aware of how to deal with situations like this and note that the more that the USA focuses on China, the less they focus on their own supply situation that will potential require the army to fix the problem. As of now, China should only fight as a last resort and should right now use this as a chance to further prep the nation as well as make calculated moves to destabilize the USA with minimal input so that China can get its bang for buck without being so damn obvious like almost every move that the west is using is so damn telegraphed that it isn’t funny anymore. Right now, the USA is praying for a miracle, one that they will not receive at all and also at a time when the USA is low on much of the resources they need to survive in the coming decade

First of all let us all be realistic no war is on the horizone in this world status quo because everyone has whatever he wants and where the risks outweighes the benefits hence you will never see a large scale conflict even between two big states without Nukes.

Because everyone has in one way or another a thriving economy globally despite others have it better than some but the key example I am trying to explain here is that everyone is more or less satisified in this world status quo. Never expect a war to just all of sudden splash out from nowhere suddenly this will not happen in a million years.

1. We have to enter globally a collapsed status quo in order for everyone to enter conflict ready status. The economy could completely fall in the future down the line opening for global wargames and game of empires for real. Something similar to WW2 but just on a much bigger scale this time around. We could only get to that stage if the world economy was to collapse entirely either via natural disaster such as an asteroid, comet or climate change etc etc. Something unpredictable could happen in the future forcing people back into ''Conflict stage'' Everyone will have to wage war in that stage because they will have nothing to lose and if they didn't wage war they will experience civil war due to riots and hungry civilians but in order for every country to safe themselves will chose the patriotic card by invoking patriotism in their people to avoid civil war and dying from the inside they will march and go on the offense. As strange as it may sound it would be like a period in a video game where you are only given one option and that is to move forward. This will be the situation in such scenario.

2. I am confident we will get there down the line in the next 2-3 decades to come. Now we are talking about a China that has nothing to lose really which is completely different. Imo China will attempt to create a new order because the world one will collapse with the economy as soon as the economy collapses the Old world order is no more valid by default and whomever wins WW3 will paint the next world order in his own image.

3. India is a lackey country hence it remains a security threat to china because it is always up for hire plus China can't realize herself as the next hegemony with India's existence it has to go in such scenario and it will become China's first target and the benefits of taking it out is because it has many enemies it would be much easier taking out of the way. Her enemies could entirely destroy it without even China but China tagging along on this adventure is key because it will sieze vaste lands and it doesn't need to rebuild just push them further and use the land it is fertile. Pakistan will definitely colonize it and seize a good junk of it.

4. In the event of such disaster god forbid the first conflict to emerge will be India within 48-hours of the collapse the reaction of the allied nations in the region has to be quick and initiate the storming of India plus initiate a nuclear war.. Pakistan will mobilize 4-million men for the offensive charge into India alongside extra additions from Central Asia states+AFG.. While China+North Korea has to storm from the Himlayas and the 7 states via Myanmar land corridor.

The target is to up end the offensive within 12-24 months this will be a quick affair and it won't be long. The seizing will be realized within the set the time frame considering the weapons at this display here including Mass destruction weapons. This will limit the casuality of all participating parties. The country could be partitioned in 4-5 parts or even more becoming later countries themselves. A 2 chinese parts that will start out as Chinese colonies but few decades later they will gain independence and the chinese language will be introduce at the school level + there is 1 North Korea part which will undergo the same and there will be 2 Pakistani parts + 1 central Asian etc etc. This 5 parts could be developed further along ethnic lines in the far future before gaining full independence and becoming separate states or They could simple remain in occupation it is all the same or Pakistan could entirely annex them if nobody wants anything with them they won't mind it.

Lets not use much time on what will become of them but lets continue from here on what is next. This will free everyone up to pursue or to go to other theaters now that India is completely out of the way and de-existed basically. This will give China the freedom to finally go to SCS, Taiwan and re-settle old scores with Japan mainly Pakistan+Central Asia+AFG goes east to conquer the entire middle-east
 

bajingan

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And this explains also the psyop relating to Hongkong, Xinjiang and attacks at Chinese investments and commercial activities. It is not about attacking China since the US knows it is impossible. It is about tearing the current global economy apart to protect its position.

American ruling class is attempting to secede from the international system to protect its position much in the same way as the ruling class of the American South seceded from the Union it created to protect its position.

Similarly the ruling class of United Kingdom seceded from the EU to protect its money-laundering and tax-evading industry.

It is short-term self-serving behavior that characterizes a parasite. And that's exactly what those Anglo-American "elites" are - they are parasites of the global economic system. And whatever anyone thinks about the behavior of the Chinese, or Russian or European establishment they have nowhere near the power and influence and position that the Anglo-American ruling class has.

That imbalance is the cause of the global instability.
Very thougthful theory and observation, the only problem i see with this theory is what happens when the u.s failed to deliver economic stability to countries in her spheres? I see this as very likely that not only will the us will fail to provide economic stability instead she will squeeze her vassals dry like she did japan
When those countries continues to see their living standards continues to deteriorates under uncle sam "sphere" sooner or later they will turn from "allies" into hostages
 

9dashline

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Very thougthful theory and observation, the only problem i see with this theory is what happens when the u.s failed to deliver economic stability to countries in her spheres? I see this as very likely that not only will the us will fail to provide economic stability instead she will squeeze her vassals dry like she did japan
When those countries continues to see their living standards continues to deteriorates under uncle sam "sphere" sooner or later they will turn from "allies" into hostages
Yeah I don't see this working, like every ponzi pyramid scheme it needs larger and larger inputs to sustain itself, for the American empire to survive it needs another whole planet of resources to exploit and plunder...
Now that globally we have passed the global peak of total global energy production/consumption curves, its all downhill.... the vassals that are paying rent to the US will themselves be squeezed harder and harder... and having less vassals means the US has to squeeze the remaining ones even harder to compensation and at some point the dam breaks and it all falls apart domino chain reaction supernova style...

As global EROEI diminishes, so too will the net productivity of workers/nations... simply put the high "energy/work multiplier effect" afforded to us by plentiful cheap dense energy (hydrocarbons) will be a thing of the past... there will be a sort of inevitable scale invariant cannibalization of sorts... hegemons eating vassal nations, the top 1% of the hegemon nation eating the bottom 99%, and bringing in new immigrant labor (replacement for the EROEI Energy Slaves) whilst instituting child labor and AI/automation to replace the mainstray of workforce...
 

Arnies

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My former post was to long sorry for that gents. I didn't even manage to edit it because there is a few minutes window before you can do that. Hope that is okay with you.

I didn't finish it either what I am basically trying to say here is when the condition changes to ''Conflict stage'' This will be the moment to correct and reconstruct the world geopolitics for good. India sitting there remains a major security issue to China despite China being 10 times stronger and the reason for that is becuase it is up for hire and remains the only security threat to China's long term existence. The project de-existing India is even much more important to China than it is to Pakistan. Will the Han Chinese really accept this filthy gangu nation standing infront of their dreams no this will not happen in a million years. Example if you have noticed how China has re-inforced it's border areas with India in Ladakh etc etc. China's stragetic view has shifted to India as the solely 1st most important puzzle to solve and everything including all of China's future is link to this. This is where Pakistan comes into the picture as the main gate keeper against them. China finds herself in a moment where it has many who shares her political outlook and share common interest with her. This is mutual interest and both want someone to one way or the other vanish to free them up for other theaters and other interests but as long as it is there it will remain the sole interest and focus. Obstacles are there to be undone
 
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