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FriedButter

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China is not an "ally". It's a peer competitor - so good luck with that.

There is a clear policy shift. Chances are the tech blockade is going to be weaken and the US is going to mass dump onto the Chinese market in an attempt to bankrupt domestic alternatives.

"We do not want the standard to become Chinese across the world, or even in China."

They don’t want China to develop domestic alternatives. It is clear why they are moving ahead with dumping H20 chips into China.
 

siegecrossbow

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There is a clear policy shift. Chances are the tech blockade is going to be weaken and the US is going to mass dump onto the Chinese market in an attempt to bankrupt domestic alternatives.



They don’t want China to develop domestic alternatives. It is clear why they are moving ahead with dumping H20 chips into China.

If the SeeSeePee can erect an internet wall they can easily ban foreign GPUs for domestic use too.
 

AsuraGodFiend

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There is a clear policy shift. Chances are the tech blockade is going to be weaken and the US is going to mass dump onto the Chinese market in an attempt to bankrupt domestic alternatives.



They don’t want China to develop domestic alternatives. It is clear why they are moving ahead with dumping H20 chips into China.
If you think H20 will stop china from developing their own chips your underestimating china determination for self reliance these will not put a dent on the domestic chip development usa already shown it's hand with sleepy Joe
 

supersnoop

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Note: I am not a SME, please make any corrections as needed
The issue is that premium Chinese TV manufacturers still make use of South Korean OLED panels, because the Koreans have an iron grip on the manufacturing of large OLED panels and are well protected by patents in global markets. You can't just copy their technology & expect to sell it every where.

The global patents system prevents near term competition outside of China (patents are setup to favor first movers). Presuming the goal is global dominance, the answer as always is to leap frog via new technology. If China wants to dominate in display panels then it has to invest early in next generation technology across the entire supply chain, like it did in EVs.
These two points are quite important.

I believe BOE is only producing small format OLED panels (phones, tablets). I don't believe any panels for computer monitor and above (27"+) are made by Korean companies.

Also, the Koreans basically split the market where Samsung is concentrating on small panels, and LG for large format.

The second point, we must remember... At the risk of sounding like some crazy hardline communist, patent infringement is also basically the worst of capitalist rent-seeking. In theory, it is trying to reward the innovative to give them a return on investment, but nowadays is just used as a weapon of lawfare by companies. Despite independently developing an OLED manufacturing line, BOE is at the mercy of Samsung who was first.

Or you can ignore global patents system, kill the competition with lower cost. Anyone who wants to impose patent ruling on you gets retaliation. Copying has been a Chinese playboy as well. And when there is already tech available. Copying is the way to go rather than reinvent the wheel

There is no reason why oled should only be coming from Koreans.


China needs to make sure west and its vassals can not use so called international order to suppress it. If US has banned a Chinese company. Ban a US company and a Korean company as retaliation.
While BOE will be hurt by losing Apple's business, most likely they will be able to sell this panel capacity to brands outside the US market. There is a world beyond the US, and is in fact where most of the Chinese brands make the most money.

Again, this is not a matter of technology, it is merely a matter of interpretation of law. Chinese companies are already on the forefront of OLED and microLED panel technology, in addition to BOE, there is Visionox, Tianma, TCL-CSOT, etc.

Problem is that Samsung started commercializing this tech 20 years ago and was able to accumulate a literal wealth of patents. This is why US lawyers routinely buy up random bankrupt companies for pennies on the dollar and start sending out letters threatening to sue companies.

Do Hisense TCL etc use their own panels?
TCL does (CSOT subsidiary), not sure about Hisense...
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Or you can ignore global patents system, kill the competition with lower cost. Anyone who wants to impose patent ruling on you gets retaliation. Copying has been a Chinese playboy as well. And when there is already tech available. Copying is the way to go rather than reinvent the wheel.

There is no reason why oled should only be coming from Koreans.

China needs to make sure west and its vassals can not use so called international order to suppress it. If US has banned a Chinese company. Ban a US company and a Korean company as retaliation.
Everywhere I look, I see the creaking infrastructure of yesteryear, whether legal or physical, straining under its own weight and age. It was already profoundly unjust in the past, but at least functional in its unfairness. Now it isn't even that.
 

taxiya

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Man, Chinese government takes forever to implement tariffs. I thought they already did it in 2024. It's also down from the initially stated 100% tariffs.
Your memory is wrong then.
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  加拿大政府宣布,自2024年10月1日起,对从中国进口的电动汽车加征100%关税;自2024年10月22日起,对从中国进口的钢铁和铝产品加征25%关税。加方措施严重违反世界贸易组织规则,是典型的保护主义做法,构成对中方的歧视性措施,严重损害中方的合法权益。

  根据《中华人民共和国关税法》、《中华人民共和国海关法》、《中华人民共和国对外贸易法》等法律法规和国际法基本原则,经国务院批准,自2025年3月20日起,对原产于加拿大的部分进口商品加征关税。有关事项如下:

  一、对菜子油、油渣饼、豌豆加征100%关税,具体商品范围见附件1。

  二、对水产品、猪肉加征25%关税,具体商品范围见附件2。

  三、对原产于加拿大的附件所列进口商品,在现行适用关税税率基础上分别加征相应关税,现行保税、减免税政策不变,此次加征的关税不予减免。

  四、相关进口税收的计征:

  加征关税税额=关税计税价格×加征关税税率

  关税=按现行适用税率计算的应纳关税税额+加征关税税额

  进口环节增值税、消费税按相关法律法规等规定计征。

  附件:1.加征100%关税商品清单

  2.加征25%关税商品清单​


The tariff on canola was implemented on March 20th 2025 as the second step of retaliation began since October 2024. It was 100% on top of existing tariff. Today's announcement of 75.8% is the rate after conclusion of the anti-dumping investigation. It means that more than 100% tariff for nearly a year has totally shut out Canadian canola and 75.8% will just continue the job.

Is 75.8% low? With that rate, there is no chance to sell a single gram of Canadian canola in China. 100% was a symbolic number to match Canada's figure, not that it is necessary to do the job. China is not going to and should not act childish like Canada and USA.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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I'm all for making fun of Jai Hind's but this was/is the same argument made against China when it was making its way up the GDP ladder.
You are right to a certain extent, but at the time when China surpassed Japan's GDP, it also became the largest manufacturing nation and car market in the world. It also hosted one of the most spectacular Olympic Games in history. Not to mention startups like Xiaomi were beginning to appear. It does not appear that India is anywhere close to what China was in 2008.
 
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