A large percentage of Americans are unable to see in the opposite point of view, this has been proven by all the conflicts consistently happening in their society, with complicated international issues being simplified to the “Good” vs “Bad" in public media, and spoon-feed to the average Americans on daily basis, who can blame them. American censorship is the most terrifying of them all, the most dystopian, it leaves a bit of room for blame, they acknowledge that there are "bad guys" in their system, like the Iraqi prisoner abuse, and the drone killing, but any question to their system, their core value of MIC alt capital, the way how they make money, the hammer of capitalism will soon fall onto you as hard as it can be
Miscellaneous News
- Thread starter bd popeye
- Start date
broadsword
Brigadier
Ultimately this is why the coming crisis is going to be the literal death of so many, because they can never acknowledge that the USA could do any wrong, they will still be convinced that what ever the Government tell them is truth, like the color of the sky and such. In the past, such censorship may have worked but when the system is coming apart at the seams at so many levels, it is pretty obvious that their will be a coming retribution and the USA is the target of this retribution since nothing, this year alone has really gone right for the USA right now
broadsword
Brigadier
Typical American speak.
I have no problem with your suggestion and China has already do that, corruption has a very heavy penalty in China if caught, need to have African cooperation too to report that corruption cases not one side from China. This topic regarding corruption has been taking too long. Let us back to the original post ( Breaking & World News! III NO DISCUSSION!! ).
I think Topazchen has valid concern regarding corruption. But in this very competitive world where China needs to compete with western powers who are as we know very powerful and maybe more corrupt, at least China is least corrupt than them, there are tangible results that can be seen and enjoy by Africans. I am not trying to be naive here or allowing rampant corruption. How can China has influence or win any projects if there is no economic incentive to the power holders in the respective countries? China's offers are often the cheapest ones, low interest rates, etc, but if the power holders themselves are corrupt, China will not be able to compete at that countries. China needs friends and there is Taiwan issue where leader of countries can simply switch recognition between PRC or ROC.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
All this nonsense about corruption is such an obvious and stupid red herring it really boggles the mind how some otherwise reasonable members could become such puritanical zealots on it. I guess that’s a testament to the power of western MSM propaganda brainwashing.
This issue is a complete red herring because China didn’t invent or introduce corruption to Africa like the proverbial serpent the west likes to paint it as.
China is merely being pragmatic in following local customs.
Western bleating about corruption in Africa is highly self serving and hypocritical.
Often ‘corruption’ is just CIA/NED smear campaigns against national leaders who refuse to sell out their national interests to western multinationals, and are all just part and parcel of western regime change operations against any locals who dares to seek a fair deal for their people.
When regime change is not on the cards, corruption allegations just become convenient pretexts under which to spend aid money on behalf of the countries in question by claiming national governments cannot be trusted with the aid money so western organisations must be placed in charge of the money, to spend as they see fit.
At the end of the day, no nation, institution or people’s are perfect, if you go out of your way to dig for dirt, will find it. Scratch deep enough and you can find examples of corruption. It was only a few years ago that almost the entire pompous British parliament was caught up in the MP expenses scandal; Tony Blair sold a flat using complex offshore shell companies to save himself tens of thousands in tax; Boris had to hastily pay back his extravagant redecoration costs, while were originally paid for by a major party donor; and Boris is sunning himself in the palace-villa of another donor as we speak. And those are just recent and ongoing examples yet I don’t see anyone having the kind of righteous indignation as they reserve for China’s alleged transgressions.
Rather than fixate about whether corrupt exists, spoiler it will always exist, the real question should be what actual tangible results are produced in spite of the inevitable corruption in all systems.
In the metrics of actual good done and results delivered, China absolutely crushes the west. That, at the end of the day, is the only thing that actually, really matters.
This issue is a complete red herring because China didn’t invent or introduce corruption to Africa like the proverbial serpent the west likes to paint it as.
China is merely being pragmatic in following local customs.
Western bleating about corruption in Africa is highly self serving and hypocritical.
Often ‘corruption’ is just CIA/NED smear campaigns against national leaders who refuse to sell out their national interests to western multinationals, and are all just part and parcel of western regime change operations against any locals who dares to seek a fair deal for their people.
When regime change is not on the cards, corruption allegations just become convenient pretexts under which to spend aid money on behalf of the countries in question by claiming national governments cannot be trusted with the aid money so western organisations must be placed in charge of the money, to spend as they see fit.
At the end of the day, no nation, institution or people’s are perfect, if you go out of your way to dig for dirt, will find it. Scratch deep enough and you can find examples of corruption. It was only a few years ago that almost the entire pompous British parliament was caught up in the MP expenses scandal; Tony Blair sold a flat using complex offshore shell companies to save himself tens of thousands in tax; Boris had to hastily pay back his extravagant redecoration costs, while were originally paid for by a major party donor; and Boris is sunning himself in the palace-villa of another donor as we speak. And those are just recent and ongoing examples yet I don’t see anyone having the kind of righteous indignation as they reserve for China’s alleged transgressions.
Rather than fixate about whether corrupt exists, spoiler it will always exist, the real question should be what actual tangible results are produced in spite of the inevitable corruption in all systems.
In the metrics of actual good done and results delivered, China absolutely crushes the west. That, at the end of the day, is the only thing that actually, really matters.
Confirmed to be fake news.
You're not telling any truth here bud, it's "YOUR" truth and not the reality-based world you and I actually are living on.
It's fine and dandy you go on advocating for what you think should be the right approach China takes with respect to tackling corruptions or perceived corruption as to lead and show the world that there's a better way where everyone can hold hands and sing kumbaya. Typical liberal b.s. thinking that gets you nowhere.
I don't know what planet or safe space you are coming from but you should actually try living in one of these 3rd world countries that are governed under Democratic systems and see how insanely naive your approach to the realities of politics and human frailties (greed, avarice, ambitions) that are acute in those countries.
You keep harping on about China this, China ought to do that...where the f...k was the global south before China became an economic power that began to invest that actually brought about some much needed infrastructures in those countries?
If China had adopted your feel good and naive approach to growing the economy, then the country wouldn't have been able to achieve what it has achieved through the preceding decades. An economic success and the results can speak for itself. It's not perfection, far from it but what China has achieved is something that's never been done before by any other country in the world. Your idealism exist nowhere else but in theories and books that have found no relevance into the real world. It's a great erudite discourse amongst your like minded contemporaries but such ideas are woefully ignorant of the world and societies at large.
solarz
Brigadier
So according to you, colonialism didn't breed corruption. Ok, nice to know where you stand.
As usual you got things ass-backwards.
It's the African politicians who are corrupt. China's choice is how to work with them.
By building infrastructure instead of giving money like the West, China has already shutdown a huge avenue of corruption. If somehow those politicians still manage to skim some money over the contacts, then at least the people will still have the infrastructure, instead of NOTHING when it comes to Western money!
This is why your position is so perfidious. You ignore the mountain of corruption financed by the West to focus on the molehill involving China.
Utterly disgusting.