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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893213698103099785





Now I get it, it seems that Putin might get much more than I thought. Russia already has tons of these resources, they don't need it.

Essentially get 4 'oblasts' and Crimea they control fully annexed directly and formally recognized with Ukraine withdrawing from what they now hold there too (for Russia to stop the war), and the rest of Ukraine stays as a Russian proxy through new 'elections' (for minerals).

Trump gets the face through these minerals and resources from the rest of the Ukraine, since that's all he cares about. They could recoup the losses somewhat in that way they think. Also, all sanctions lifted and funds returned to Russians, the EU will gradually fall in line too.

For Trump, this is mostly political. I don't think they realistically believe that they can get any strategic partnerships regarding China now.

In the meantime, UN peacekeepers, Ukraine's total 100% demilitarization, and demoralization, with no Europeans involved in anything.

No NATO, no Western troops, Zelensky and other current leaders either eliminated, in jail, or in escape, a new administration comes.

Russia's buildup, for a few years, until finally taking the rest too easy as the US collapses during a Taiwan confrontation against China.

Then they also take the rest of Ukraine, which would now be much easier to conquer & assimilate and divide it with neighbors like Poland.

The UN peacekeepers can't do anything, they do not fight, the US would have collapsed when China took Taiwan, alongside the EU.





Edit: For those who didn't get it, the war obviously still continues now until the remaining Western resources are depleted since there won't be any/many new ones coming, Zelensky gets couped in some way, and Russia advances in the remaining small parts of 4 'oblasts' easily next.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Slave State Expansion Pack?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893339434000531697
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The Trumpian Art of the Deal is basically gunboat diplomacy.
iewgnem said:
Actually its been China's MO for multiple millennia to annex the territories of barbarian tribes who inavded China, because China never forgives.
100 years might seem like a long time for water barbarians, it's not a long time for China, and as the Chinese saying goes, a gentleman will always take revenge even if takes 10 years, or a century for a nation.
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Looking forward to PLA bases and Chinese settlements in Italy, along with other nations of the Unequal Treaties.

Fully Compliant said:
Forget the conservative media and idiots on X. You'll see in comments on most media pieces and everyday conversation that overwhelmingly Australians are aware of the hypocrisy.

There's a really strong undercurrent of anti-Americanism in Australia that's been subsumed during the Obama/Biden times but it's absolutely EXPLODING again during the reign of Trump 2.0. It's difficult to convey how much damage he's done.

I do think this is a misstep by the Chinese. A few days ago, the tenor of the national conversation was ready for a huge flip in attitudes around China and the US but that seems unlikely now. It's played into the fears of older, politically important segments of the electorate and will probably just weld us even closer to the US.
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You’re overstating the anti Americanism under Biden because it wasn’t there. Australian elite attitudes has often been like slavish wannabe Europeans, they just dislike trump as an outsider challenging their usual masters in Washington. There are elite factions that support trump as in Canada.
This is no misstep, this is a natural evolution of Chinese power which necessarily must remind Australia that white supremacy is a failed religion and only Chinese assimilation is required for their continued survival.
 
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Serb said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893213698103099785





Now I get it, it seems that Putin might get much more than I thought. Russia already has tons of these resources, they don't need it.

Essentially get 4 'oblasts' and Crimea they control fully annexed directly and formally recognized with Ukraine withdrawing from what they now hold there too (for Russia to stop the war), and the rest of Ukraine stays as a Russian proxy through new 'elections' (for minerals).

Trump gets the face through these minerals and resources from the rest of the Ukraine, since that's all he cares about. They could recoup the losses somewhat in that way they think. Also, all sanctions lifted and funds returned to Russians, the EU will gradually fall in line too.

For Trump, this is mostly political. I don't think they realistically believe that they can get any strategic partnerships regarding China now.

In the meantime, UN peacekeepers, Ukraine's total 100% demilitarization, and demoralization, with no Europeans involved in anything.

No NATO, no Western troops, Zelensky and other current leaders either eliminated, in jail, or in escape, a new administration comes.

Russia's buildup, for a few years, until finally taking the rest too easy as the US collapses during a Taiwan confrontation against China.

Then they also take the rest of Ukraine, which would now be much easier to conquer & assimilate and divide it with neighbors like Poland.

The UN peacekeepers can't do anything, they do not fight, the US would have collapsed when China took Taiwan, alongside the EU.
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By the way, the plan I described here isn’t bad for China. If you break it down to first principles, there is no way the US alone could ever even theoretically compete with China in a hot or any kind of war without the full backing of the EU’s economies and industries, something that was never a guarantee, let alone now.

Just look at what happened in the past few years. First, Biden weakened them industrially and made them resentful by pushing them into a confrontation with Russia for no real reason. Then came Trump, who bluntly told them it was "their fault" and "their problem," all while cozying up to Putin and abandoning Ukraine.

At the same time, he ordered them to ramp up military spending even further, squeezing their civilian economies even more. What kind of impression does that leave on these so-called allies?

When the US starts collapsing in a war against China, will they really rush to help? And even if they wanted to, could they pull it off in such a dysfunctional social and political climate without triggering rebellions and civil unrest first? I didn't even mention Nord Stream or stealing jobs.

For years, the US fed them liberal rhetoric, conditioning and weakening them. Now, JD Vance shows up in Munich and mocks them to their faces. How do you think that plays out?

Sure, the US may have stepped back from Ukraine to refocus on China, but they were never capable of threatening China alone. They’ve essentially carved wood from their own house to keep temporarily warm, but when the real blizzard hits, the whole thing is going to collapse.
 
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The Ukrainians are baffled that the Americans are demanding their money back after the venture imploded.
“There are no American obligations in the agreement regarding guarantees or investments, everything about them is very vague, and they want to extract US$500 billion from us,” the Ukrainian source said of the proposed deal.

“What kind of partnership is this? And why do we have to give US$500 billion, there is no answer,” the source said, adding that Ukraine had proposed amendments to the draft.
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Fully Compliant said:
Forget the conservative media and idiots on X. You'll see in comments on most media pieces and everyday conversation that overwhelmingly Australians are aware of the hypocrisy.

There's a really strong undercurrent of anti-Americanism in Australia that's been subsumed during the Obama/Biden times but it's absolutely EXPLODING again during the reign of Trump 2.0. It's difficult to convey how much damage he's done.

I do think this is a misstep by the Chinese. A few days ago, the tenor of the national conversation was ready for a huge flip in attitudes around China and the US but that seems unlikely now. It's played into the fears of older, politically important segments of the electorate and will probably just weld us even closer to the US.
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It should be completely fine, because China did it in a very calculated way.

They showed up to visit the region, but they only acted neutral. For people who want to oppose Trump later, it's easy to rationalize that China is only visiting the area to keep tabs on US, since they never did anything aggressive against Australia or New Zealand.

For those who want to use it as an excuse to go closer to US, well, China will inflict costs to them directly. And US might also inflict costs. Then, these people will be blamed as causing hardship for normal Australians.
 
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The Ukrainians are baffled that the Americans are demanding their money back after the venture imploded.
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The US at least theoretically recoups its money through resources, while Russia gains land and eliminates the main Nazi leaders immediately.

Ukrainians, on the other hand, have lost millions of people, vast resources, huge chunks of land, and their autonomy.

Now, they will have to walk with their heads lowered in shame for generations as a future part of Russia as well soon.

A truly tragic outcome for them. But this is what happens when you bet on the wrong horse. All of it could have been avoided if they had made wiser choices. Russia once saw them as fully Russian.

But now, after so much blood has been spilled, it becomes a complicated and regretful situation, having to live within the very country they once looked down on and raised their knives against.
 
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No you stupid US bootlicker clown dog. Europe was sacrificed in the altar of the lies of stooges Think Tankers who convinced Europe that following the US in every stupid foreign policy adventure was the right thing, that being in a old decaying military alliance buying overpriced US weapons instead of building domestic robust technology was the right thing, that sacrificing domestic economic decision autonomy to favor US economic lunacy and mccarthyism was the right thing to do because the "West has to stick up to Chyyna" and that allowing US tech corpos monopolize the domestic market was the right thing to do. The woke sh*t is just the fuck*ng cherry in top the US-Europe-NATO sh*t cake. There probably wouldn't be an Ukrainian war if the Europeans had give the middle finger to Victoria Nuland and the other CIA stooges.
 
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