They don't want to mention it nor discuss it cuz of all the things they don't want to give more of to Deepseek is free publicity.
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Imagine the arrest though:
SWAT team knocks down some Chinese-American guy's door
"Hands were I can see them, what's inside that rig? Why is it so loud? How come you are using so much electricity?"
Chinese dude "I just enjoy playing Black Myth Wukong with full ray tracing, that's all"
"That's also a thought crime, cuff em boys".
You mean you guys haven't been buying 4090 in the west and shipping it through Chinatown logistic companies to make a handsome profit from 代购
All I know is that within 2025, Deepseek will release R2 thats onpar with o3.
And there is still a lot of room for improvement in the smaller distill models... Likely to where we can get a 32b distill that is trained with RL where it fits as 4-bit quant on a single rtx 5090 (32gb vram) and with the effective strength of a o1 high.... (o1 pro mode)
Every high end pc gamer will have offline local PhD expert and senior SWE at their literal fingertips...
Say goodbye to OpenAI's $200/mo scam....
And there is still a lot of room for improvement in the smaller distill models... Likely to where we can get a 32b distill that is trained with RL where it fits as 4-bit quant on a single rtx 5090 (32gb vram) and with the effective strength of a o1 high.... (o1 pro mode)
Every high end pc gamer will have offline local PhD expert and senior SWE at their literal fingertips...
Say goodbye to OpenAI's $200/mo scam....
These idiots think the US is only now losing its "dominance," capacity to innovate, and ability to "outcompete" globally—like this is some sudden revelation. It’s hilarious. Even the most 'awakened 'amongst them are highly deluded.
They can’t wrap their heads around the fact that the US is incapable of thriving in high-tech manufacturing because its infrastructure is in shambles, there’s no real capital control (capitalists just dump money freely into low-capex, intangible software instead of tangible industries), and the leadership needed to succeed in hard industries simply doesn’t exist, that's why their business culture is focused toward these software areas of tech fundamentally from the beginning.
So they cope by pretending high-tech manufacturing isn’t that "high-tech" or doesn’t matter anymore and only software exists as high tech, only LLMs exist, etc. But, now even there, their bubble has burst in this 'soft' area too.
Meanwhile, advanced drones, aerial imaging, EVs, electric batteries, humanoid robots, industrial AI, IoT, telecommunications, computer vision, and logistics, and physical AI in general, fields where China is miles ahead, were always considered "less amazing" than the US's stagnant, redundant software sector, or totally ignored by their CIA brainwashing media.
And even in software, not only hardware, the US lost their ground not too long ago, but they can just mask it better. First TikTok algo and now DeepSeek algo blew them out of the water, briefly causing some soul-searching before the CIA propaganda machine slaps the blinders back on.
This is what happens when an entire society, full of hubris and run by non-technical midwits, runs on fuzzy vibes and magical thinking about being "the most innovative, creative" superior people, but for what reasons exactly, other than race or religion, now on knows outside their schizo world. It’s all in their heads as no real-world examples or data support that.
The US economy hasn’t been globally competitive or truly innovative for decades. It’s built on closed domestic rent-seeking. Even their so-called "tech sector" is really just a bloated software sector many times less innovative than China’s.
What the US so-called 'tech sector' excels at is only an advanced form of their traditional 'cultural' rent-seeking (lobbying, regulation, against the competition, price gauging, high barriers to entry + subscriptions, fees, data as currency, monetizing API, cloud hosting, first mover advantage...)
They also rely on old network effects, not actual innovation. Look at China’s tech/software landscape: WeChat’s multi-functionality, super apps, cashless society, e-commerce innovation, advanced fintech, ride-hailing, delivery logistics, smart cities, digital healthcare, and ID systems, lightyears ahead. Or I should not believe my eyes?
Westoid clowns think absurdly inflated fictional stock market valuations due to end-stage capitalism = innovation in reality. It’s laughable. For example, they are all very "proud" of Nvidia's valuations, despite 10% owning 95% of all stocks.
Another misconception is equating bloated R&D spending and theoretical research with practical innovation. Most of that R&D, in the entire economy, is monopolized by megacorps hoarding patents to block competition and innovation, not to foster it. Their goal isn’t progress, it’s to maintain their moats and keep rent-seeking. Value taking instead of making again that is why.
This is why there’s such a massive disconnect between the actual societal and business innovation in China versus the West, and the delusional impressions Westoids have about themselves. There are many layers to how this came about.
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Dumb punk ass thinks he is an economics genius or some shit. Can’t they just admit that their is no way Ukraine and by extension the USA and its bitches can ever win in Ukraine. Either they accept the loss and leave it at that or accept it later after Zelensky gets Iskandered and the collective west is left shitting themselves in fear while the USA tries to do mental gymnastics to say they didn’t lose while also shitting themselves into a pit while Ukraine is left to question why on earth did we sacrifice all of our men and children for that retarded coward in the green tee shirt and that old geriatric with a broken brain
When they first came for low value manufacturing jobs, I did nothing, because I don’t make cheap plastic toys.
When they came for heavy industry jobs, I did nothing, because I don’t build cars.
When they came for electronics jobs, I did nothing, because I don’t assemble phones.
When they came for semiconductor jobs, I did nothing, because I can’t tell litho from graphy.
When they came for software developer jobs, I did nothing, because I don’t make apps.
Now they’ve come for data science jobs, and there is no one to left to defend me.
Yeah a distillation size that fits onto a single 5090 seems like a good size, pretty much the most powerful card regular people can get their hands on without having the hookup to get a commercial card through some dodgy channel.
When they said a 70b distillation needs two 4090 how does that work? I thought SLI is no longer a thing with consumer cards, do you just slot two 4090 onto a motherboard and just the PCIE lanes between them is fast enough to handle a model?