Oh well, you win some, you lose some. Expecting the USA to lose all the time recently simply isn’t possible. With the loses in Ukraine, the USA was desperate for a win somewhere. Short term benefit of taking Syria could be offset by the headache to the region if all those warlords and Turkey itself isn’t satisfied with the gains and want more
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God damn I’m sick of all this Middle East bullshit. Arabs just can’t seem to get their shit together. The sooner their Oil runs out and the green revolution wipes out oil demand globally will a good day indeed.
You know I was thinking which area has demonstrated more incompetence, the middle east (excluding Israel) or South Asia?
Now as much as I laugh at Jai Hinds and their delusions, South Asia is at least smart enough to know deep down they don't want to fight. So their countries right now are still at peace and are functioning normally even if not in good standard. Plus Indians may say daft things but they know the importance of STEM and government bureaucracy and work towards it. In fact for all the criticism I give towards South Asian work ethic, they look like hard workers compared to some Middle Eastern states.
The middle east on the other hand still let old religious stuff affect them. And unlike South Asia they still think they are some warrior race and get in fights they do not know how to effectively win. Also I don't see any STEM worship there except for Iran (Turkey does put some effort into it as well) which is why you see much more competence there (they did display a lot of similar incompetence when the shah was around). And those guys are not arabs. The middle east is a prime example on why being reliant on oil or whatever single resource is bad for your country's development and people.
I really am starting to believe that you can sort of judge a country's future on how serious it and its people are about STEM.
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The question now is, can Iran hold on.
I think Iran needs to get that nuke asap
And make sure to monitor and suppress any and all internal strife and division.
Russia needs to focus on Ukraine.
China needs to make sure Pakistan and Iran and Afghanistan get along. And continue to.bring Iran and Saudi Arabia together.
The US have had several wins recently, Bangladesh, Syria. Georgia is holding on against US/EU attacks. Romania remains to be seen but so far it's a success to overturn the election.
But they may lose Yoon in South Korea. Also time will tell if Bangladesh goes fully to US side. So far it seems their govt is still friendly to china.
Time will tell
I think Iran needs to get that nuke asap
And make sure to monitor and suppress any and all internal strife and division.
Russia needs to focus on Ukraine.
China needs to make sure Pakistan and Iran and Afghanistan get along. And continue to.bring Iran and Saudi Arabia together.
The US have had several wins recently, Bangladesh, Syria. Georgia is holding on against US/EU attacks. Romania remains to be seen but so far it's a success to overturn the election.
But they may lose Yoon in South Korea. Also time will tell if Bangladesh goes fully to US side. So far it seems their govt is still friendly to china.
Time will tell
I don’t know much about the conflict in Syria. Can you explain why this outcome is good for Turkey?
The only neighboring country that has been good to the Syrian people and can rebuild the country is Turkiye.
Similar to Imperial Japan, Erdogan and his neo-Ottoman crowd will get drunk on their victory. They'll think that they're unstoppable, and will go on more rampages until they overstretch and collapse.
Long ago China did try to help countries pro bono. Recall all the aids to Albania and North Vietnam. When you give out aid freely like that in the name of global revolution they don't even appreciate it, so why bother.
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You are vastly overestimating the impact this has on China.
Uighur jihadists in Syria is as much of a threat to China as they were in Libya and far less then when they were in Afghanistan.
As for connecting to Europe via land, well I think China’s interest in that has cooled significantly since the Ukraine War. The EU has demonstrated in no uncertain terms that they are US vassals who will happily flush their own economic interests down the toilet to please America. Why spend all that money building land links to Europe when they will NordSteam it all at the first command from America?
BRI’s primary objective is to create new markets in the global south linked to China’s economy to allow China to shift exports from the U.S. and EU. The secondary objective is to provide land base access to ME oil. None of that has anything to do with Syria.
Syria only matters from a geopolitical POV because of Israel. That’s never been China’s concern.
China’s reaction to Syria is, ‘Pity, but anyways’.
The biggest looser in this is Iran and Hezbollah. As now Israel and America has one less obstacle and more assets to use against them. Their biggest mistake was in not securing more concessions from Assad to better safeguard against this eventuality rather than continue to let him run things, when he has already proven he was ill suited to the task.
That’s the problem with having vassals and proxies. You either end up having to step in yourself to make sure things are done properly, or you risk getting rolled when they do a shit job on your behalf. And vassals and proxies always end up doing a shit job because they just end up relying on you to bail them out when they fuck up.
This is why China doesn’t pick sides. They see who has the power, disciple and resolve to win, and then work with them. If the winners are not to China’s tastes, then China doesn’t need to work with them at all. If they want to do business with China, then they need to make themselves less hostile to Chinese interests. The Taliban learnt that quickly enough. I don’t see why the Turkish backed head choppers will be any different. And if they do decide to act against Chinese interests irrationally, well then they will have earned all of their enemies some support from China.
It’s easy for China to play this game because it is not already entangled in it. That gives China far more space to manoeuvre, clarity of prospective, and time than all the other parties stuck in the middle of it.
They realized it wayyyyy too late. If Russia had fully embraced China long before the Ukraine war and acknowledged that China was a clear leader in military and technology and harnessed it, instead of thumbing their nose at China and keeping them arms length, they wouldn't be in such a shitshow today. It's funny how Putin clearly banked on his invasion going perfectly to plan and winning so hard that Europe would be forced to continue normal relationships with Russia, not bothering to use their industrial superpower ally as a backup plan to sanction proof their country and improve their military. Not until the sanctions actually came down and China was unable to provide much support anyway.
It's funny how all of China's so called allies like this. They seem unable to view China as an actual superpower and want so much independence to do their own thing, even though all of them are so incompetent and keep fucking up.