He basically transferred power without any death and destruction, what more do you think he can do?
Nobody wanted to fight after 10 years of civil war, including his "clan"
Do you think Ukraine with it's entire male population wiped out is better?
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Nobody wanted to fight after 10 years of civil war, including his "clan"
Do you think Ukraine with it's entire male population wiped out is better?
You've basically summed up the wisdom of China's non-interventionist policy. Looking beyond the incompetent fools like Assad. The Middle East and a big part of the Muslim World is simply a mess. They scream and cry about Palestine but when the Syrian War reignites, they instantly returned to their tribal and sectarian feud. They feel entitled to cry for international help, but when it suits their internal agenda, they'll betray anyone anytime.
Let's take Iran and Hezbollah as an example. They've spent plenty of treasure and blood to fight for the Palestinian cause. Oct 7th, 2023 was supposed to unite Muslims from around the globe. But come the end of 2024, Hamas and Sunnis from all over the world are demanding for Iranian and Hezbollah Shia blood all over again. To all those entitled pro-Palestine fanboys who cried about China's "inaction". There is your answer as to why China should never intervene in any crisis in the Middle East. China should only do humanitarian aid at most, and that's it.
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When Hamas attacked Israel I was thinking surely they must have some master plan or strategic reason to do this?
Turns out they just thought they could attack coz they felt like it and thought they could get away with it like someone bailing them out when things got too tough. That all this virtue signaling will somehow unite the world to defeat the ultimate villain Thanos-I mean Israel coz they are the good guys. Btw Thanos technically won the first time coz like Israel he was smarter about it.
I dont even know how people think like this. But today I learn taking proper logical thinking that countries like China or US/Israel (behind the scenes) is something we take for granted. Most places have no such thing. That's why they are suckers being played all the time. They are impulsive, emotional, lack self accountability etc.
That's like asking why PLA kept attacking Japaneses forces and provoked them into Nanjing massacre.
At the surface level Hamas responded to Israel kidnapping Palestinians at their holy site, that's just fact.
They probably don't have a deeper strategy, just like PLA didn't plot to have Japan attack Pearl, but the result is Israel's entire path to normalization of status collapsed, the entire "rule based international order" narrative collapsed along with ICC credibility, Red Sea is under indefinite blockade, cost of living crisis in Europe is leading to multiple government collapse in EU and Trump coming to power in US, Trump will then in turn cause a sequence of events that can potentially lead to US inability to fund Israel and Palestinian victory.
China also didn't tell Japan to attack the US, but China fighting made it necessary for Japan to do so. History has never been 1 dimensional.
What's happened has happened. Now China and Russia has to deal with it with renewed wisdom and ruthlessness. Erdogan will extend his hand out once again. Do some necessary deals with him, but don't trust him to honor his side of the bargain. Anticipate his backstab at anytime.
All must assume that Erdogan's Pan-Turkic Takfiri crusade will eventually come for Russia and China. It's definitely in the keen interest of Erdogan and the US to see that happen. So it's time to seriously strengthen the CSTO, SCO, and BRI Security counter terror operations and weed out the incompetent. This is much easier said than done, but something must be done anyway.
Islamic extremism in the neighborhood needs to be addressed in a new way. The War on Terror, Israel, and Syria have proven that brute force alone is never the solution. There are some lessons to be learnt from the Xinjiang experience. There needs to be a combination of measured force and poverty alleviation at the same time. Its still not the perfect solution, but until something better arrives, this is the best way forward. Again, much easier said than done because Russia is not gonna change it's approach overnight.
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Meh Russians started changing their world view a few years into the Ukraine War when they realized who really are the superpowers in this would and can keep them afloat, Iran will have to learn that lesson in their own way. Their run of luck with getting good leaders like Soleimani and beating up on weaker opponents to form the resistance crescent gave them an overinflated opinion of themselves. When they finally start to play geopolitics at the big table and face the pro players they will gain a more accurate understanding of themselves.
As for China aiding Syria let's do a thought experiment. Suppose Russia is not busy with Ukraine and is able to direct as much resource to help Assad as last time there was a civil war. Could Russia have mobilized fast enough to save Syrian government when they're putting up so little resistance that they lose in 11 days? I think that's questionable at best. If Russia who's been operating in Syria for much longer and has much easier time force projecting there can't do it given the extremely short time frame, what difference could China make? Even if PLANMC set sail on a 075 on the very first day of fighting they wouldn't have arrived by today anyway.
You can't help someone who don't want to help themselves, else it will just be like what the Americans experienced in Afghanistan.
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I want to agree, but I don't think the Russians have learned this. Putin and the leadership certainly understood this when they flew the entire Kremlin to China for the last presidential summit, but I don't think the lesson has entered the popular consciousness. Russian appear to still operate by and large on the principle that China makes plastic junk.
One could say "who cares what the peasants think?" and there's a large degree of truth to that, but I'd still like to see the idea take root.
Although not relevant in this case Hwang is Huang.
황 = 黃 it is a Chinese origin name for Koreans
Why of course! Are you new to how the West operates? LoL!